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[–]CuntWorshiperWomenholic full time | vagina fetishist part-time 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

Which harmful/homophobic stereotypes that exist about lesbian?

That we’re are just lesbian because we hate men? Political lesbians are bisexuals.

That we’re are just lesbians because we’ve been raped? The women that use lesbian as a trauma cope are bisexual.

That we’re just lesbian to get male attention? Bisexuals are the women using “lesbian” to look fuckble for males

That is just a phase we’ll grow out of it when we find the right man? Who are the type of women that larp as lesbian and then get boyfriends when they grow out of their “lesbian phase”? I’ll let you guess this one :D

I would say all these stereotypes exist because they are real, I have met bisexuals performing every single one of them both online and irl, they exist for a reason, they don’t come out of nowhere, they reflect reality, they just don’t reflect lesbians.

Now that lesbians are toxic; hmm I’m biased to judge but it’s probably true. Everyone is toxic by snowflakes standards. We move on too fast? true. Domestic violence? Probably true. Serial monogamists? Although I don’t fit on this one it’s true for most lesbians. I could go on and on but my time is finite.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Most lesbians who move on too fast (which I get, finding the right person is hard, specially for little dating poll, when you find someone who is so compatible is feels like magic and you don't want to lose time, I could see myself getting married fast with someone right). The serial monogamy is said for people who can't stay alone and just stay in relationships for the sake of it. I wonder why most are like that. Is that a specific woman issue? Anyway, I can't say you're wrong, now that I think about it, most negative stereotypes about lesbians are caused by bisexuals lol

[–]CuntWorshiperWomenholic full time | vagina fetishist part-time 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Anyway, I can't say you're wrong, now that I think about it, most negative stereotypes about lesbians are caused by bisexuals lol

If this is truly the first time you could see it then you need to stop thinking with your cunt and start to think with your brain more often when judging women Alvira, they are hot not saints haha 😛

Want another funny realization? The bisexual that thought she was having a gotcha moment won’t answer my comment because she knows I’m right. Professional victims do x and whine when they are judged for doing x. These things can’t stand by themselves, they hate being hold accountable for their own actions and decisions. Generally they can be cuddle and have their ass kissed by some meek, dormant lesbians in here, I’m not having it though.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Your assertivie personality makes me want to workship your cunt lol

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Do you have any evidence to back up any of these claims?

I'm no expert, but I'll take a stab at it.


That we’re are just lesbian because we hate men? Political lesbians are bisexuals.

I'm sure that some are bisexual; some are undoubtedly straight women; some may even be lesbian. Do you have a source that suggests they're all bisexual? My understanding was that the "political lesbian" concept not only involves the belief that sexual orientation is chosen, but is specifically about being separate from men:

While the main idea of political lesbianism is to be separate from men, this does not necessarily mean that political lesbians have to sleep with women; some choose to be celibate or identify as asexual. The Leeds Revolutionary Feminist Group definition of a political lesbian is "a woman identified woman who does not fuck men".

That sounds more like straight women who are just sick of men...

And:

The women that use lesbian as a trauma cope are bisexual.

Are all actually bisexual? Some are severely mentally ill straight women. Some forms of mental illness include symptoms such as lack of awareness of one's own bodily sensations-- a skill that's necessary for observing one's own signs of sexual attraction. It'd be hard to figure out the sexual orientation of those people, at all...

I would say all these stereotypes exist because they are real

I think there is some degree of reality to many stereotypes, and also a large degree of inaccuracy. It just depends on the stereotype. The only "political lesbian" I ever met in real life was a straight woman.

We move on too fast? true.

Evidence...?

Domestic violence? Probably true.

Probably not. From the US CDC National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (2010): "There were no statistically significant differences between the prevalence of rape, physical violence, and/or stalking when comparing lesbian women and heterosexual women"

I don't really understand why you believe so many of these stereotypes about bisexuals OR lesbian women, lol. Like, have you met people IRL who fulfill these stereotypes, or what?

[–]CuntWorshiperWomenholic full time | vagina fetishist part-time 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm sure that some are bisexual; some are undoubtedly straight women; some may even be lesbian. Do you have a source that suggests they're all bisexual? My understanding was that the "political lesbian" concept not only involves the belief that sexual orientation is chosen, but is specifically about being separate from men:

By definition lesbians cannot be ‘political lesbians’ and ‘political lesbians’ cannot be lesbians. The reason why the two terms exist is exactly because they are two different things that need to be differentiated. If a actual lesbian is a man hater, then she’s a lesbian that is man hater, not a political lesbian. A political lesbian is a non homosexual woman that use homosexual as a political statement, a separatist tool. They are not heterosexual, as you already acknowledged, a straight woman can be a 100% separatist feminist and not sleep with women, such women exist, and they are not political “lesbians” for choosing eternal celibacy or pretend to be asexual. Do not believe a heterosexual woman can be political lesbian. Straight women don’t fuck women. But I cannot show any prove of their sexual orientation, neither can you, so we better off sticking to material reality instead of “what if”.

Are all actually bisexual? Some are severely mentally ill straight women. Some forms of mental illness include symptoms such as lack of awareness of one's own bodily sensations-- a skill that's necessary for observing one's own signs of sexual attraction. It'd be hard to figure out the sexual orientation of those people, at all...

My last answer for your first concern can be applied to this as well.

I think there is some degree of reality to many stereotypes, and also a large degree of inaccuracy. It just depends on the stereotype. The only "political lesbian" I ever met in real life was a straight woman.

You met a political lesbian, anecdotal. It doesn’t take back that political lesbians are bisexual by default, if you use a bit of logic. Btw If she was engaging in homosexuality than your anecdote weight goes from 0 to -100 if she wasn’t engaging on homosexuality than how is she a ‘political lesbian’ and not simply a separatist feminist? I’m not a dumbass dormant or a mother despite being a woman, that doesn’t mean that women having the reputation of being dumbass dormants and be mothers, sometimes both, is inaccurate. A stereotype is a widely held, simplified, belief about a specific group, it is not a intrinsic rule for all.

Evidence?

For what exactly? I don’t need evidence for that. I personally don’t move on too fast, nor I am a serial monogamist, nor will I ever or have ever move in with a woman after just one year (or less) of relationship, none of these stereotypes apply to myself as a individual, but they apply to a large amount of lesbians otherwise they wouldn’t be stereotypes at all. My point was and still is, reputation and stereotypes do not come out of nowhere.

Probably not. From the US CDC National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (2010): "There were no statistically significant differences between the prevalence of rape, physical violence, and/or stalking when comparing lesbian women and heterosexual women"

Yes, you’re right on this one, probably not but I can see it being probably yes, either way I’m not betting my head on that, hence the ‘probably’.

I don't really understand why you believe so many of these stereotypes about bisexuals OR lesbian women, lol. Like, have you met people IRL who fulfill these stereotypes, or what?

You can’t understand why I think the way I do if you use different metrics to think than I do. You seemly to not even come to term on what is a heterosexual women or a lesbian, for the sake of appearing partial. No offense but a people pleaser not understanding me isn’t really surprising, I don’t understand you either so I think we’re even on that.

I have never met a single woman to fit in all the stereotypes about lesbians at once, but yes I have met lesbians that fit in stereotypes. As for bisexuals.. I have met many bisexuals, far majority at some point or another lay in the bed they made for themselves. This is not to say every single bisexuals are X and deserve z, y, w reputation but that the reputation bisexuals have do reflect reality and those of them that do not fit in on the stereotypes, despite not be responsible for the stereotypes, have no leg to stand on being scandalized surprided pikachu face for stereotypes about them existing as if never in human history a bisexual have done what bisexuals are accused of doing/being. One can fight stereotypes without pretending they come out of nowhere, no need to lies or gaslighting.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They are not heterosexual, as you already acknowledged, a straight woman can be a 100% separatist feminist and not sleep with women, such women exist, and they are not political “lesbians” for choosing eternal celibacy or pretend to be asexual.

What I quoted was that, for many self-described "political lesbians" that actually is the definition of being a "political lesbian"-- to not want to sleep with men, regardless of whether one sleeps with women. Many of these women claim attraction to men and not women, suggesting that they are straight, as opposed to lesbian or bisexual. But "political lesbianism" is a political belief, which a person of any actual sexual orientation can hold.

To be clear, I am talking about the definition of "political lesbian" as radical feminists originally defined it, and not just the state of being a lesbian (homosexual woman) who has political opinions.

Straight women don’t fuck women.

Yes; and, many self-identified "political lesbians" do not fuck women, as the quote I mentioned above describes.

My last answer for your first concern can be applied to this as well.

Which was:

But I cannot show any prove of their sexual orientation, neither can you, so we better off sticking to material reality instead of “what if”.

I completely agree. But if that's the case, then why'd you respond to u/PenseePansy saying that you thought they were all bisexual?

For what exactly? I don’t need evidence for that.

You need evidence to make broad generalizations about an entire demographic group, or else people might call you out for being unrealistic about that group. Rule 1 in the sidebar: "Don't make broad generalizations." I mean, if this has been your life experience, it's interesting to hear about that; (edit) but it's not necessarily reflective of reality.

hence the ‘probably’.

That's fair.

You can’t understand why I think the way I do if you use different metrics to think than I do.

I am not sure what you mean by this. I like to use evidence-- scientific studies, survey research, and articles-- to back up my claims, if that's what you mean. But the only way I can learn a little more about how you think is if I ask, which is what I did.

You seemly to not even come to term on what is a heterosexual women or a lesbian, for the sake of appearing partial.

Can you quote me where I gave this impression? I-- like (hopefully) everyone else on this sub-- define "lesbian" as a homosexual woman, "straight" as heterosexual, "bisexual" as being attracted to both sexes. That's my frame of reference, and I don't think it's "partial" (i.e. "biased") of me to use those definitions...

No offense but a people pleaser not understanding me isn’t really surprising, I don’t understand you either so I think we’re even on that.

I'm not sure why you are resorting to name-calling, but in any case, I don't think that asking some questions to a user who believes in stereotypes about LGB people constitutes "people-pleasing" behavior. We may have to agree to disagree there.

I have never met a single woman to fit in all the stereotypes about lesbians at once, but yes I have met lesbians that fit in stereotypes. As for bisexuals.. I have met many bisexuals, far majority at some point or another lay in the bed they made for themselves. ...

I am not really sure what you mean by vaguely menacing terms such as "lay in the bed they made for themselves," lol. But it sounds like your experience has been that most of these stereotypes are true; I'm sorry to hear that. For me, some lesbian and bisexual women I've met seem to fit stereotypes, whereas others don't at all (I'm lesbian myself). I think it's simultaneously possible to recognize that anecdotes aren't a reliable basis for making generalizations about an entire demographic. If that were true, then if a straight person met exactly 1 gay person who was rude, they might conclude that all gay people are rude and be fully justified in telling other people that "all gay people are rude, because I had this experience." Which would be slander in regards to the gay people who are not.

One can fight stereotypes without pretending they come out of nowhere, no need to lies or gaslighting.

I agree. At the same time, it is also important to acknowledge the largely-false part that many stereotypes have.

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Many of these women claim attraction to men and not women, suggesting that they are straight,

I'm with RC. I think there is a class of women out there who, for reasons I do not want to get into, nor do I think that conversation would be fruitful, make the mammalian-brain volitional choice to choose other women as partners, in the stead of men. Their reptilian brains direct them towards the men.

This is their choice, and I respect it. However, it is my purview to recognize the nature of their interest in the sexes. People are free to say what they want about themselves, but I do not have to accept their claims, and I do judge them on this.

If a woman introduces herself to me as a heterosexual, but a "political lesbian," then such a woman has my respect. It is the misdirection, misrepresentation that her partnering with other women is due to a physiological compulsion--this draws my extreme ire.

I also do not maintain that political lesbians are necessarily homosexual or bisexual. (These are their words, by the way.)

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Which harmful/homophobic stereotypes that exist about lesbian?

Well, I wouldn't say that the ones you cite (and dismiss as being applicable only to bi women) are the fundamental ones. THOSE would be the following (disclaimer: I've never actually believed any of this-- just playing reporter here):

  • Being exclusively same-sex attracted means that you can't reproduce, therefore lesbians are unnatural and unhealthy: pointless at best, harmful to society at worst.
  • Being attracted to men is fundamental to being a woman; therefore, lesbians are not really women. This means that they are either neuter (essentially sexless creatures) or pseudo-men. Either way, they are ugly failures.
  • Due to both of the above, lesbians are psychologically "sick"-- neurotic/immature/mentally-unbalanced-- and often predatory towards straight women. (Well, they CAN'T be attracted to each other-- they're all ugly, duh!)
  • Since sexual activity isn't "real" without the presence of a penis, lesbian sex doesn't count as sex. Therefore, lesbians are delusional and pathetic for thinking that it does. Theirs is less a sexual orientation than a failure to develop any kind of sexuality. They're backward and childish and generally incapable of dealing with adult life.

Now, how does any of THAT apply to bisexual women? But you can see lesbians being viewed through this lens, all right-- especially given the current lesbian-to-transman pipeline.

So: do you agree that these stereotypes exist because they are "real"? And if they AREN'T "real", then how, according to your own argument, did they ever get to be stereotypes in the first place?

[–]CuntWorshiperWomenholic full time | vagina fetishist part-time 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Being exclusively same-sex attracted means that you can't reproduce, therefore lesbians are unnatural and unhealthy: pointless at best, harmful to society at worst. Being attracted to men is fundamental to being a woman; therefore, lesbians are not really women. This means that they are either neuter (essentially sexless creatures) or pseudo-men. Either way, they are ugly failures.

A) None of these are stereotypes, they are beliefs.

B) Neither of these beliefs are specifically about lesbians, they are beliefs about women. They naturally extend itself to lesbians because lesbians are women, not the other way around. There are bihet women that don’t get married and don’t have children and they are shamed and bullied for not marrying or having children.

The ‘lesbians sex is not real sex’ is also not stereotype, it’s a belief. One may think is dumb, fucked up, or homophobic but I don’t see how it’s harmful. It has no actual negative impact on lesbians lives if bihets think lesbian sex isn’t real sex besides may be insulting. And it doesn’t reflect reality it reflects an opinion.

Your whole ‘argument’ is like saying going to hell is a homosexual stereotype. It’s not. Homosexuals aren’t known for going to hell, this isn’t something that was done over and over again by homosexuals. It’s not a homosexual trait to go to hell. No one can prove homosexuals go to hell or that hell exist. ‘Homosexuals go to hell’ is a belief.