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[–]censorshipment 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Hmm no because gnc/masculine gay women are highly desirable. No one would dare say "trans men" are wanted more than butches. Women want to kiss boobs, not "top surgery" scars lol I've been begged not to "transition" and told I LOVE YOUR BOOBS!

But I've heard that gnc/feminine gay men have the complete opposite experience... considered undesirable.

[–]HelloMomo 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I wonder if it has something to do with butch/femme history? Because every couple back then was 1 butch + 1 femme, that framed both of them as desirable.

Whereas feminine gay men don't have that. They don't really even have any normal-ass non-identarian words to describe them. Like there's no male equivalent to "butch" or "tomboy". The "tomboy" one I remember thinking about when I was like 10, and thinking how it was sad and unfair for the boys.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Historically they would just call effeminate men f****ts. Straight or not, you were failing your gender.

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well technically the male equivalent to "tomboy" is "tomgirl", but I hardly ever see anyone using the term "tomgirl" to be fair...

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In the past it was about heteronormativity, but today most feminine girls aren't desiring butches. Bisexual with a male preferance might love butches.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's something they say. They they think we are all right wing christians/bigots/hateful/traumatised or jealous. Because in their heads we can not possibly have logical reasons or good arguments to dislike gender ideology.

They can keep seething.

[–]lavender_menace 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s really annoying they put everything else in one category. I’d like to know the stats for B,Q,T separately.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Right lol It's just their narcissistic rage kicking in because how dare someone not validate their fantasy.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly!

[–]Poppy29252Natal Cat Woman 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I see that accusation online but that's about it. I assume it's because people buy into the idea that women are only as valuable as how attractive they are to men. So of course a man pretending to be a woman will bring up how fuckable or desirable he is compared to "real" women he deems undesirable.

Of all the things in the world I am jealous or envious of, a man in a dress isn't one of them.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah you're right. And I think when you refuse to play along with them, they go into a narcissistic rage because they're so used to most people bending over for them so when they find people (especially women) who don't play along with their fantasy, they can't process it.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So you are straight? It was a bit confusing to follow your post.

I've met a straight woman who was considering being trans solely because she wanted to fuck gay guys as a top. I debated her for several hours over the idea that she should just find an effeminate straight guy because the chances of that working out was way higher than her idea.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Finding a bisexual guy who likes to being pegged wouldn't be so difficult

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

She just needed a straight guy though and they are in abundance.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No abudance of straight guys wanting a dominant woman who will penetrate them with a dildo. Hell, a woman like that would make me run fast too lol

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh no no, I'm a gay man. I'm just more on the feminine side of things including having a more feminine presentation.

I've met a straight woman who was considering being trans solely because she wanted to fuck gay guys as a top.

Eugh. Yeah like you said, your friend is better off finding an effeminate straight or bisexual man because no gay man would want to do that with her.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not particularly with this specific issue as outside of here my only real comments is that I don't like people assuming GNC people are trans.

People need to often find a way to get back at you if you hold some view they deeply dislike. The only reason you support x is in real life you are loser etc. You have to be that person because if you are well put together it hinders their narrative of how they portray the opposition.