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[–]JulienMayfair 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It really irks me that professors are still parroting that same line about homosexuals being invented in the late 1800s. I wrote about that ~30 years ago, pointing out that in De Sade's writing, he presents same-sex attracted men as a known type a century earlier. And we've just kept pushing the dates further back as we discover more and more. Dante had Sodomites, and I watched a video not too long ago about how widespread homosexuality seemed to be in Renaissance Florence.

No one would argue that electricity didn't exist before someone gave it a name.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just to clarify, you are saying that it was know a century+ that there were people we would call homosexuals? And not just people who engaged in homosexuality, like the social constructivists are trying to push on us? I think the last I heard of that was the religious right saying there was no homosexuals, only heterosexuals engaging in homosexuality.

[–]suedonym1984[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am considering an article on the subject. From the historical evidence (which is limited because of the circumstances), modern 'gay culture' in the West appears to have emerged with the increasing urbanization of the early modern and industrial periods. The late 19th century sexologists were merely describing this secret culture. Alfred Douglas' poem 'Two Loves' certainly describes a very modern conception of homosexuality.

We didn't simply just emerge out of nowhere. The people who built that original culture would have had to existed before moving to the city, clearly found other like-minded homosexuals, and formed their subculture. So certainly 'homosexuals' would have had to exist prior to this point, otherwise there's no reason to form that subculture.

In terms of simply describing exclusively same sex attracted people, we have descriptions dating back well into antiquity. It is beyond me why it is a debate, and when you point this out, all you get back is 'oh that was too long ago.'. The invention of dildos predates the domestication of the dog, so clearly people weren't all that different than today.