Indoctrination / DoublethinkPlayed The Fool - Sue Donym - Substack

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[–]JulienMayfair 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It really irks me that professors are still parroting that same line about homosexuals being invented in the late 1800s. I wrote about that ~30 years ago, pointing out that in De Sade's writing, he presents same-sex attracted men as a known type a century earlier. And we've just kept pushing the dates further back as we discover more and more. Dante had Sodomites, and I watched a video not too long ago about how widespread homosexuality seemed to be in Renaissance Florence.

No one would argue that electricity didn't exist before someone gave it a name.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just to clarify, you are saying that it was know a century+ that there were people we would call homosexuals? And not just people who engaged in homosexuality, like the social constructivists are trying to push on us? I think the last I heard of that was the religious right saying there was no homosexuals, only heterosexuals engaging in homosexuality.

[–]suedonym1984[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am considering an article on the subject. From the historical evidence (which is limited because of the circumstances), modern 'gay culture' in the West appears to have emerged with the increasing urbanization of the early modern and industrial periods. The late 19th century sexologists were merely describing this secret culture. Alfred Douglas' poem 'Two Loves' certainly describes a very modern conception of homosexuality.

We didn't simply just emerge out of nowhere. The people who built that original culture would have had to existed before moving to the city, clearly found other like-minded homosexuals, and formed their subculture. So certainly 'homosexuals' would have had to exist prior to this point, otherwise there's no reason to form that subculture.

In terms of simply describing exclusively same sex attracted people, we have descriptions dating back well into antiquity. It is beyond me why it is a debate, and when you point this out, all you get back is 'oh that was too long ago.'. The invention of dildos predates the domestication of the dog, so clearly people weren't all that different than today.

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is a great essay on the history of how we got here, and your perspective being swept along up in it and coming through the other side. Thank you!

I also wanted to say, I cracked up at this. Nice interjection of humor in a serious topic :)

A powerful attraction to women came to me as naturally as breathing, or seeing, or farting inappropriately on the second date.

[–]Rag3 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Brilliant and sad article. Thank you for sharing it here. I do need to make a regular habit of checking substack more often.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tough to read, but you tell it well. Something to pass on to people who don't know what happened.

[–]Socialjustus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I usually stop when reading long articles, however I could not put this one down. You're a really amazing writer.

Reading this really hit me hard. I have a straight friend who became an Aiden. In college she used to fetishize gay men, posting on Facebook about how she desperately needed "catty bitchy gay friends", going to gay clubs with her straight friends, etc. Then one day she had a rainbow crew cut and identified as "queer". Her straight male fiancé seemed supportive and still is.

I Feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching this as everyone pretends it's normal. I feel horrible for even thinking that this is just a bunch of Pop Culture bullshit.

Thank you for writing this!

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Brilliantly written. Thank you for sharing your work with us.