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[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And, "LGBTQ+" circles include the entirety of social media that is dominated by "Queer Theory". You know, Tumblr? Reddit?

People on these platforms don't care about Butler, but about attention and clout chasing.

Most of them don't believe in gender shite because of any theory, but simply because it's trendy and it might afford them some likes/upvotes. That's it.

Her "obscure" academic theories have infected my generation of LGB people and honestly I'm sick of it lol.

Nope.

See my comment above.

Yet Stonewall, up until this past year, and HRC still, has been raking in cash from the corporations that sign up for all their "gender identity" trainings.

Stonewall UK has nothing to do with GS as an academic field or even the main players on said field. They're professional activists who are interested only in their own bottom lines.

My guess is that the degrees of students who work at corporations that do these sorts of "training" probably come from a variety of social science degrees.

Again, and...?

These are literally the bottom feeders of gender shite, not the ones making big money or enforcing legislative chance based on it.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

People on these platforms don't care about Butler, but about attention and clout chasing.

They may not know or care about her, but they do care about her ideas. Because those ideas are how they obtain attention, clout chasing, pressure people into sex in the case of (for example) AGP transwomen, and so on.

See my comment above.

Which I refuted. Let me be more specific, if it might help: Judith Butler's academic theories have infected LGBTQ+ media among my age group. Gender identity beliefs are extremely popular on social media, and social media skews young. You could reasonably argue, "Many young LGB people aren't infected these beliefs, they're just being censored off social media so it only SEEMS like LGB youth believe this stuff." I will admit that's a possibility; I'm one of those people.

The ideology that Judith Butler helped formalize and spread, is the leader of, is the same one that Stonewall's rules go by and that the entirety of "LGBTQ+" social media is run by. You could argue that Judith Butler is not as influential a founder of this belief system as some other people, or that tons of people come up with stupid belief systems and it's really the fault of money-greedy institutions or angry men demanding sex that this belief system took off (as you did argue, and as I acknowledged is an important topic to talk about). However, it makes no logical sense to argue that Stonewall UK has nothing to do with these ideas that came from gender identity ideology leaders such as Judith Butler. They are directly related. I don't believe that she represents everyone in or all of the content taught in the field of gender studies, but I'm referring to her specifically, not gender studies.

I get the impression that we might be using different definitions, here. I have noticed I tend to agree with most of your other comments, though, so I am in inclined to doubt that our lack of agreement here is substantive.

[–]soundsituationI myself was once a gay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with you (and with both of you, in a way). Judith Butler is not the public face of this movement. I'd be more than willing to bet actual dollars on most reddit/twitter/tumblr users not even being familiar with Butler's name let alone her published works. But her ideas have absolutely saturated the culture, particularly in younger demographics.