DiscussionHow many lives has Judith Butler ruined?

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[–]JulienMayfair[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

True. Butler quickly developed an intensely dedicated following of grad students to whom she was a kind of high priestess. They became her "faith militant."

And everyone forgets Riki Wilchins, who played a big part in the 1990s in disseminating versions of Butler's thinking that were easier to understand than Butler's own writing. Wilchins' main career was in tech, and Wilchins helped created a movement in internet tech that supportive of gender ideology, which is part of why companies like Google and Twitter are so pro-trans.

Butler, on the other hand, has mainly remained above it all, but she dog whistles to people like Antifa by calling belief in biological reality "fascism," reassuring them that when they attack people critical of gender, they are attacking fascists.

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Wilchins helped created a movement in internet tech that supportive of gender ideology, which is part of why companies like Google and Twitter are so pro-trans.

Nobody has really explored the link between AGP and profession, but there has been a lot of casual observation from reputable people about how well AGP and technology get on. Probably having to do with... whatever makes someone AGP also inclines them to be interested in computers, which are very much mechanistic things--an interest typical of males. Also, activists classes love professions having to do with "journalism" or other platforms of thought--because they can tell you what to think.

Just ask Chelsea Manning about her very female-typical behavior:

https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/1318306498724900865

https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/1371156400949301251

https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/1371850938751840262

https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/1378342724512976904

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I've theorized about this in the sense that the use of technology is never a one-way street. It's a feedback loop. The use of technology changes the user. Think about people who live their lives in worlds where people are focused on interacting with others via a disembodied online persona, where it's easy to pretend to be someone else and get rewarded for pretending to be that person. That's one reason I think that transgenderism was so rare when we were in a world where we were largely limited to living in our physical bodies. I think tech has amplified or even created impulses for people to live through identities that they've made up instead of being limited to the "meat."

Where I think you're wrong is in calling computers "mechanistic things." Older physical machines were purpose built. They did one thing. Computers are universal machines. They're largely not mechanical. They do anything you program them to.

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Well the internet let people with these interests to anonymously congregate. So it did play that role. E.g.: search: "I'm a man but I wish I were a woman." Find yourself on some BBS...

This is an explanation I've also heard regarding sadomasochistic communities in the US--they tend to be nerdy. They love fantasy board games, and there's a fair bit of people who make their living with technology.

So, as it goes, they say, the nerds with an SM interest were the first to be able to congregate in meatspace and do SM, because they had the means with the internet to find like-minded persons before networked computing was available to others less technologically gifted or inclined. This supposedly set the cultural stage.

Could be true, but my preferred explanation is as above with regard to AGP. Whatever etiologically sets the groundwork is the same, and it results in an interest in SM and fantasy board games, generally speaking.

I agree with your point about the Internet and personas. In today's culture/climate, identity is everything. It's fetishized. People have been crafting all sorts of identities on the internet. Whether that's Facebook, or Instagram... the medium makes it nigh impossible to see the reality, so the falsehood does not crumble. They're chasing the fashion of the month.

I think people are bored and lacking meaning--another outcome of technology, in general.