DiscussionWhy do LGB Alliance and LGN keep giving a platform to Julie Bindel, when she repeatedly makes homophobic and biphobic claims?

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However, I don't understand why LGB Alliance and Lesbian & Gay News (LGN) platforming homophobic people such as Julie Bindel and it makes me wary of their intentions.

I agree it’s problematic that the LGB Alliance is letting Julie Bindel speak for the LGB in this matter. Julie Bindel’s beliefs aren’t much different from trans activists as she also thinks sexual orientation can be unpacked. I think it would be better if a new organization for the LGB was started and for that organization to have a logical and internally consistent stance. That way they could educate people and make those who support woke homophobia realize sexual orientation isn’t something that can be unpacked and hopefully that would make people realize their good intentions would cause harm.

EDIT, missed your question at the end.

Why do LGB Alliance and LGN keep giving a platform to Julie Bindel, when she repeatedly makes homophobic and biphobic claims?

It's said that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I don’t think the intention was to cause harm in itself but I think most organizations who cause harm don’t have that as their specific intention. I.e I think even most trans activists who want to lesbians to unpack our “genital preferences” are probably genuinely under the illusion that sexual orientation is something a person can “unpack”. I don't know why the LGB Alliance supports Julie Bindel, maybe they believe in the motto "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", or maybe they haven't done their research and thinks Julie Bindel is famous for being an outspoken lesbians instead of being an outspoken political lesbian.

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Julie Bindel’s beliefs aren’t much different from trans activists as she also thinks sexual orientation can be unpacked.

That is what it seems like to me as well. I am really surprised that people at these two organizations don't seem to realize that... perhaps they are using selective applications of critical thinking, only applying it to TRAs' arguments.

It's said that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I don’t think the intention was to cause harm in itself but I think most organizations who cause harm don’t have that as their specific intention. I.e I think even most trans activists who want to lesbians to unpack our “genital preferences” are probably genuinely under the illusion that sexual orientation is something a person can “unpack”.

That's very true. That perspective is important to keep in mind, if we (on this sub) are talking with any TRAs who are more willing to have a discussion, or with people who are unfamiliar with gender identity ideology.

I don't know why the LGB Alliance supports Julie Bindel, maybe they believe in the motto "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", or maybe they haven't done their research and thinks Julie Bindel is famous for being an outspoken lesbians instead of being an outspoken political lesbian.

All possibilities. I am also starting to wonder if perhaps they are just run by "political lesbians"... Kathleen Stock seems close to having those beliefs as well, or perhaps has them outright, and there are multiple other women around the same age as Bindel who I've noticed the same claims coming from.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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perhaps they are using selective applications of critical thinking, only applying it to TRAs' arguments

It wouldn’t be unusual generally speaking, it’s a common cognitive bias. One would wish they would have higher standard though.

Kathleen Stock seems close to having those beliefs as well, or perhaps has them outright, and there are multiple other women around the same age as Bindel who I've noticed the same claims coming from.

I see, I am not familiar with Kathleen Stock but will look her up.

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In case you're curious, there was a discussion about her some months back: https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/7xim/lesbians_arent_attracted_to_a_female_gender/

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In case you're curious, there was a discussion about her some months back: https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/7xim/lesbians_arent_attracted_to_a_female_gender/

Thanks for the link, I read Kathleen Stock's article, and yeah, it very much sounds like Kathleen Stock is homosexual-leaning bisexual woman, not a lesbian. I think homoflexible bisexual is Julie Bindel’s most likely sexual orientation too. Kathleen Stock doesn’t seem to be a political lesbian though as she doesn’t propagate that straight women should give women a try or that bisexuals should stop sleeping with men in the name of feminism, instead her argument seems to be that bisexual women who enjoy sex with men but prefer women should be called lesbians too (something I strongly disagree with). As Kathleen Stock is the trustee of the LGB Alliance that might be reason they don’t see problem with Julie Bindel stance on homosexuality as Kathleen Stock also sees homosexuality as a form of bisexuality.

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Kathleen Stock doesn’t seem to be a political lesbian though as she doesn’t propagate that straight women should give women a try or that bisexuals should stop sleeping with men in the name of feminism, instead her argument seems to be that bisexual women who enjoy sex with men but prefer women should be called lesbians too (something I strongly disagree with).

Yup, I would agree with that assessment.

As Kathleen Stock is the trustee of the LGB Alliance that might be reason they don’t see problem with Julie Bindel stance on homosexuality as Kathleen Stock also sees homosexuality as a form of bisexuality.

Yes, exactly. This is what concerns me.