DiscussionWhy do LGB Alliance and LGN keep giving a platform to Julie Bindel, when she repeatedly makes homophobic and biphobic claims?

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      [–]hufflepuff-poet 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Yeah, I'm a lesbian and a radfem but the two have nothing to do with each other! Other than I need to be female to be either.

      I really hate the idea of political lesbianism, if a woman chooses not to date men for feminist reasons and dates other hetero-celibate bi/straight women that's on them idgaf, BUT that is NOT LESBIANISM. Lesbians aren't attracted to men so our exclusion of them is natural and expected and we are attracted to other women, not the same at all.

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          [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          If the two of you want to gossip and talk shit about a user, take it to private messages. This sub is not your personal space to demonize and witch-hunt other participants.

          Discuss the ideas and premises presented, don't target individuals. Abide by rule 1 and the Pyramid.

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          If the two of you want to gossip and talk shit about a user, take it to private messages. This sub is not your personal space to demonize and witch-hunt other participants.

          Discuss the ideas and premises presented, don't target individuals. Abide by rule 1 and the Pyramid.

          [–]MyLongestJourney 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

          Though "LGB Alliance" is just a money-grab anyway.

          This is a a libelous accusation. I have been watching LGB alliance since it's creation. If they wanted a money grab,they would just hop on the TRA activism wagon which is far more profitable than fighting for gay rights. Stonewall,(the ex LGB UK org that got taken over by TRAs),gets millions in donations,both by public and private orgs whilst LGBalliance receives pennies by comparison,given by individual donors.

          [–]reluctant_commenter[S] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

          Lol is this a covert anti-radfem post?

          No, it's a post about homophobia and biphobia.

          Saying women should choose to only date women is pro-lesbianism/bisexuality, imo.

          How? Sexual orientation is not a choice. That's straight-up misinformation about lesbian and bisexual women, and I'd argue it's harmful because it encourages homophobic straight people to try to change our sexual orientation.

          Women want companionship too much and will always succumb to men if they don't choose to be with women.

          "Succumb to men"...? That's not true, some women are homosexual and in the long run the vast majority of them will live that out. And many bisexual women fall for women and don't necessarily "succumb to men" as well.

          the rise of wives/moms leaving their straight lives and being with women is finally happening! A radfem's dream.

          Do you believe in political lesbianism, then?

          edit: typo

          And, I would also add-- I am not radfem myself, and frankly yes I am suspicious of radical feminist ideology because its founders and leaders seem eager to spout homophobic BS, like Julie Bindel is choosing to do and has done for years. But the post is about LGB issues, first and foremost. I am all for "live and let live" as long as radfems can respect LGB people in that way, too, but it seems like Bindel cannot.

          [–]Elvira95Viva la figa 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          Vast majority of bisexual end up with men, not that ending up with men means succumbing to anyone.

          [–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

          And many bisexual women fall for women and don't necessarily "succumb to men" as well.

          Can confirm. Never have, never will. Not even sure what that means in 2021. A woman's feelings of attraction to the opposite sex are, of course, unremarkable, and not a mark of "succumbing" to anything (or are we just insulting all the mothers on Earth now for having children—for having us?). People have agency even while experiencing attraction. Yes, some people can be abused and manipulated, but that is true regardless of which demographic groups they belong to and abuse occurs between women, too. Nobody comes out looking like a hero fighting for women by implying that if they are with a man, something must be wrong with their ability to exercise agency or enforce boundaries.

          I am all for "live and let live" as long as radfems can respect LGB people in that way, too, but it seems like Bindel cannot.

          The more of this type of thought I encounter, the more it just seems like a TRA-abuse variant. It's so regularly both illogical and vitriolic.

          [–]reluctant_commenter[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

          Nobody comes out looking like a hero fighting for women by implying that if they are with a man, something must be wrong with their ability to exercise agency or enforce boundaries.

          Completely agree. Yet that is a common radfem belief.

          I am all for "live and let live" as long as radfems can respect LGB people in that way, too, but it seems like Bindel cannot.

          The more of this type of thought I encounter, the more it just seems like a TRA-abuse variant. It's so regularly both illogical and vitriolic.

          Hmm, that's an interesting suggestion. I guess I meant it more in the sense of like, "Tolerance is something we should strive for." I think many religions have harmful beliefs but I also recognize that it's the right of people to believe in them anyway, and I don't expect to be able to convince all religious people ever to stop believing in them. But I could see how a trans rights activist might say, "Live and let live! How are trans people hurting you??" which implicitly denies that same-sex rights and "gender identity rights" are at odds with each other in many situations (sports, single-sex spaces, etc.).

          [–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

          I should have phrased that differently—I agree with you. I meant the fact that radfems like Bindel don't respect LGB people that way (live and let live). TRAs are intolerant and engage in endless gaslighting from one direction, and radfems who adhere to these demonstrably-false and degrading beliefs about LGB people are engaging in it from their own direction. Not much difference between them.

          [–]reluctant_commenter[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          You're all good :) Ah, yeah that makes sense.

          [–]MyLongestJourney 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

          Thank goodness covid happened and women realized how awful having husbands really is for them and their mental health. They've been reading about "comphet" and the infamous "lesbian masterdoc" and coming out as late bloomers. 😁 the rise of wives/moms leaving their straight lives and being with women is finally happening! A radfem's dream.

          Wat.

          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

          I will remind you, this is not a RadFem or GenderCritical sub. STOP promoting the idea that men are the worst thing for women.

          This is an LGB sub, and you need to be civil and express yourself in a way that is conducive to a mixed-sex space.