Virtue SignalingHow the Guardian became the Pravda of the trans movement

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[–]julesburm1891 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why am I not one bit surprised to learn that the Wi Spa guy is a registered sex offender and that Judith Butler said people who acknowledge biology are fascists?

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

George Orwell was just four decades too early in his predictions.

[–]JulienMayfair 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ironically, one of Butler's books is titled Bodies That Matter, which I still have on my bookshelf. I had to read all that crap in grad school 25 years ago.

Also, the interviewer, Jules Gleeson is a trans woman and somehow a Marxist, though I don't know quite how you square materialism with gender ideology. I'm sure there's a postmodern workaround that claims to make it all make sense.

[–]Dromedary 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Jules Gleeson is a blithering idiot. I've been reading plentily about this awful dumb interview and its sheer bad faith and dishonesty. The one part that really stands out is that Gleeson bragged that she offered to the Guardian that she would change the question as long as they kept Butler's long rambling answer that called gender critical people fascists. This is hideously unethical, it's not journalism, and I hope Jules Gleeson is never hired again to write for any reputable outlet. Gleeson has shown they are a fraud and a hack and an activist, not a journalist. Oh and Gleeson offered to do this "for free", which is a laugh. The Guardian is very fucking iffy on the trans issue. Some say that the UK (real) Guardian has gone all TERFy, but I really don't see that at all. Seems some think that because the US version of the G's staff is radically pro-TRA. Whatever. I'm a longtime reader of the Guardian that is really drifting away quickly from the paper, it's a lot mushy ID politics and braindead wokeness. I've always considered myself a liberal, but if this is what it means, I don't know anymore.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Some say that the UK (real) Guardian has gone all TERFy

Really? I haven't read anything from The Guardian for years but I've always been led to believe that it was the mouthpiece of the right on, Labour-voting hand-wringing Islington set. Suzanne Moore was hounded out after a cabal of her colleagues denounced her, and the fact that Owen Jones is a writer there should tell you all you need to know about it's ideological bent.

[–]supersmokio6420 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They say it because there's been a few articles and opinion pieces sympathetic to the GC perspective, even though the paper as a whole defaults to the trans side. Its a bit less one-sided than PinkNews, and that's all it takes.

[–]JulienMayfair 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope Jules Gleeson is never hired again to write for any reputable outlet.

Unfortunately, the Teflon Trans shield will probably protect him. They can essentially do no wrong these days.

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I don't understand how any rights movement that takes itself seriously wouldn't try to identify and exclude the interlopers. (The anti-social men, who have no gender issues, who take advantage of self-ID and legally become whatever sex they claim in the moment. Who's sexual perversion is entertained with and by non-consenting adults?)

Here, the pro-trans people have blindly taken onboard the guy who has a significant criminal history of the very thing he's accused of, well before any facts really surfaced.

Puts cynical hat on tight. Unless the people trying to champion Wi-Spa-guy are of the same ilk. A common theme. Abusers don't want protections. Abusers want to abuse.

I know, I know, I'm painting with a broad brush, but what gives? Any rational trans-movement would have cast this man to the wolves... everyone should be wanting his head (I certainly want him in front of a court,) but some people seem to think he's some sort of anti-fascist hero (looking at you, Judith Butler.) Do you even have a clue what "fascism" is? Or is this some Derridian twisting of words?

"Antifa" was one of the big "protest groups" who showed up on multiple occasions outside of Wi spa. How is beating people in the streets anti-fascism? Is that sexual sadism? It's a sexuality topic, after all. Long, hard look in the mirror, guys. (Pun not intended.)

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Any rational trans-movement would have cast this man to the wolves

That's just the problem, though: how can there BE any rational trans-movement? When "trans" itself is an inherently irrational concept? It's centered on confusion (at the very least) between gender roles and biological sex, and an inability to accept the fact of one's own biological sex. Sure, there's some variation in how far they take this irrationality (and how insistent/aggressive they are about it), but it's not as though it could EVER be rational. It's as hardcore woo-woo as it gets.

The only rational trans-movement that I can imagine is one which acknowledges the delusional nature of this mind set, treats it as unhealthy at best and dangerous at worst, and consistently opposes any encouragement of it (above all via attempts to dictate others' perceptions). THAT, I could actually get behind. Of course, this would be a much harder sell than the "being trans makes you the Speshulest Snowflake of ALL!!!" message central to the current approach.