ColonizationRepackaging serious mental illness as a sexual orientation and/or gender identity

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[–]hufflepuff-poet 30 insightful - 2 fun30 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

These kids are so lost, this woman is clearly trying to find herself/meaning. She's converting to a new religion, "converting to gay" and chopping her breasts off--back in my day we called these things "a cry for help" nowadays it's "stunning and brave"...

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And will eventually be crying to anyone who will listen how it's everyone else's fault she fucked up her life and no one tried to stop her. As if they ever could.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's something that always struck me about detransitioners. They were the helpless victims who were misled by Big Pharma and Big Trans and nobody tried hard enough to stop them.

This is a convenient narrative and I can definitely see the appeal. I have no doubt that a certain proportion of detransitioners were indeed helpless victims subject to perfidious doctors in the pocket of Big Pharma.

But then I reflect on how, especially in the United States, the doctor-patient relationship has become so transactional, and some of these TRAs are so militant that nothing anyone could have said could have diverted them from this path. We all remember how we were as teenagers and how It'S noT a PhAsE MuM ThIS iS wHO I Am, and this is, I suppose, the logical conclusion of that mindset.

I guess my point is the detransitions-as-helpless-victims narrative robs them of their agency. Ultimately, they chose.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's something that always struck me about detransitioners. They were the helpless victims who were misled by Big Pharma and Big Trans and nobody tried hard enough to stop them.

This is a convenient narrative and I can definitely see the appeal. I have no doubt that a certain proportion of detransitioners were indeed helpless victims subject to perfidious doctors in the pocket of Big Pharma.

Late to this thread, but I just wanted to say, this is a really good point. Perhaps we ought to distinguish more often between child transitioners-- who really were pressured into it-- as opposed to those who medically transitioned as consenting adults.

I also worry that some of the people who do pose this framing of detransitioners may be emphasizing the experience of heterosexual detrans people, and disenfranchising that of LGB people. For example, a transman who fetishizes gay men then detransitions might suggest that she was conned, and to at least some extent she was, but it's worth acknowledging the part her actions played in negatively impacting gay male communities. She was still an identity tourist.

Even if you make an honest mistake, you still have to take responsibility for your actions. That's what's missing from the narrative. Ultimately, LGB people lose out in the end.