ColonizationRepackaging serious mental illness as a sexual orientation and/or gender identity

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[–]hufflepuff-poet 30 insightful - 2 fun30 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

These kids are so lost, this woman is clearly trying to find herself/meaning. She's converting to a new religion, "converting to gay" and chopping her breasts off--back in my day we called these things "a cry for help" nowadays it's "stunning and brave"...

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

And will eventually be crying to anyone who will listen how it's everyone else's fault she fucked up her life and no one tried to stop her. As if they ever could.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

That's something that always struck me about detransitioners. They were the helpless victims who were misled by Big Pharma and Big Trans and nobody tried hard enough to stop them.

This is a convenient narrative and I can definitely see the appeal. I have no doubt that a certain proportion of detransitioners were indeed helpless victims subject to perfidious doctors in the pocket of Big Pharma.

But then I reflect on how, especially in the United States, the doctor-patient relationship has become so transactional, and some of these TRAs are so militant that nothing anyone could have said could have diverted them from this path. We all remember how we were as teenagers and how It'S noT a PhAsE MuM ThIS iS wHO I Am, and this is, I suppose, the logical conclusion of that mindset.

I guess my point is the detransitions-as-helpless-victims narrative robs them of their agency. Ultimately, they chose.

[–]SerpensInferna 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I miss the days when getting a shitty band tattoo was the worst decision a 16 year old made.

[–]Nani 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I partially agree with you. I don't think it is fair for them to blame their family, friends, or even doctors for what happened because by that point they couldn't have been reasoned with, but they are victims of the TRAs. They are sold lies about how transitioning will make everything better, and about how there are trans people walking around them everyday and they don't even know. And the idea that if not now but soon everyone will accept them for it.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. It's like the defence of the young men and women who raced to Syria to join ISIS. Yes, they're young and impressionable but by the time most of us are 10 we have enough of a moral compass to know it's wrong to run around cutting people's fucking heads off.

[–]fuck_reddit 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Remember that they were also casting themselves in the role of helpless victim when they were “trans”. They seem to play the same role, even if the details have changed.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I struggle with this so much cus so many of these detransitioners were forced into this, mainly the ones who were put on puberty blockers as kids. The adults who chose to transition, yes I think they are in control and did choose this path but the kids, they chose to be gender non-conforming but their parents are the ones who chose to make them trans. More and more I think this won't end until enough of the "trans kids" are old enough to detransition and sue the shit out of their idiot parents for experimenting on them and robbing them of a healthy body and adulthood.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's something that always struck me about detransitioners. They were the helpless victims who were misled by Big Pharma and Big Trans and nobody tried hard enough to stop them.

This is a convenient narrative and I can definitely see the appeal. I have no doubt that a certain proportion of detransitioners were indeed helpless victims subject to perfidious doctors in the pocket of Big Pharma.

Late to this thread, but I just wanted to say, this is a really good point. Perhaps we ought to distinguish more often between child transitioners-- who really were pressured into it-- as opposed to those who medically transitioned as consenting adults.

I also worry that some of the people who do pose this framing of detransitioners may be emphasizing the experience of heterosexual detrans people, and disenfranchising that of LGB people. For example, a transman who fetishizes gay men then detransitions might suggest that she was conned, and to at least some extent she was, but it's worth acknowledging the part her actions played in negatively impacting gay male communities. She was still an identity tourist.

Even if you make an honest mistake, you still have to take responsibility for your actions. That's what's missing from the narrative. Ultimately, LGB people lose out in the end.

[–]CaptainMooseEx-Bathhouse Employee 20 insightful - 8 fun20 insightful - 7 fun21 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

"Grindr match" you don't match on Grindr. You are capable of messaging any profile. Stop projecting Tinder on other apps for your heterosexual audience.

[–]Criticallacitirc 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

I really hate them using the words twink & twunk. Straight up cultural appropriation.

Also honey, you missed your chance. 25 is already a little too long in the tooth to start calling yourself a twink or a twunk.

On a side note a lot of FTMs have these glasses, is it to try to hide their feminine brow line ? Last night on grindr, in the who's viewed you tab, I was able to clock a FTM because I saw a round face with these glasses.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Dunno. MTFs are also inordinately fond of glasses, especially if they have an ice cube's chance in Hell of passing. Graham Linehan does a beautiful and on-point take-off of the glasses + head tilt = coy transbian motif.

[–]TiredTrendersSuper-gay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Considering how many of these people, both MtF & FtM's, tend to be weeaboos(foreigners obsessed with Japanese cartoons((anime)) and their perceived reality of Japanese life culture), it wouldn't surprise me if part of the reason they wear glasses so much is also in part due to the whole "megane" glasses fetish trope that's very prevalent in the JPN r-18 doujin/hentai scene.

This is where many people in the trans community I've seen get the "inspiration" to transition from to begin with. Especially those with fixations of slice of life/echii works.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What is a twunk? How is that different from a twink?

It's BS like this that completely alienates me from the gay 'scene'.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Twink + hunk

Basically an ectomorph who works out and packs on muscle as opposed to looking emaciated.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What is a twunk? How is that different from a twink?

Twunks are a little more muscled than twinks, who mostly go for a lean and thin aesthetic. Twinks are also more feminine than twunks.

[–]insta 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Twinks are also more feminine than twunks.

I’ll pushback on that. While some twinks may be more feminine looking, the whole twink appeal is boyish young looks versus an older more mature male.

[–]Criticallacitirc 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see you got your answer, but its just a bit of gay slang nothing to get bent out of shape about.

[–][deleted] 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

So, she meets bisexual men then calls them gay to demean them? Am I understanding that right?

[–]insta 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bisexual men get called gay all the time by other men and society in general. Glad trans people are assimilating into that culture as well.

[–]strawberrycake 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They see these terms like “twunk” as something they can just identify into. Any deviation is gatekeeping, which I’ve legit seen a bigger woman accuse others of when they didn’t think she was a twink (it’s fatphobic too!). However, to most gay men these terms simply exist to talk about body types. They are not uwu precious fandoms. Clueless straight people are appropriating these terms.

I also find her conversion to Judaism interesting. It seems she’s trying to identify into as many oppressed categories as she can.

[–]Criticallacitirc 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I feel like a lot of bears & otters take it the level of identity in replacement of a personality.

I think its just because everyone ages/grows out of twink, that you can't really make it an identity.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Lmao even fat attractive young gay men aren't "twinks", that is a very specific body type and style of gay men. These women are as ridiculous and entitled as their male trans counterparts 😭😭😭 they really wanna be treated like "special gay men", yet they know nothing of gay culture but misinterpreted shallow stereotypes.