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[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

This is gonna sound a bit cynical, but I don't think a large proportion of "allies" ever really believed SSA to be a real thing. It was and still is just another kink in their eyes. SSA and exclusive SSA were and are both still considered rebellious subversion by many people who should know better. This is why the crazy shit really took off after the same-sex marriage victory in the US. A lot of people(not just in the US) took this as some divine sign that kink of all kinds was given a green-light to become legally accepted and mainstream. Essentially, they took the religious conservative view on what SSA is: Subversive acts meant to stymie traditionalists; The only difference is, they replaced the label "bad thing" with the label "good thing". But they never fundamentally challenged their hetero-normative beliefs of what SSA actually is. Being just another convenient tool to exploit for ideological purposes. But nothing real in itself.

[–]Rosefield 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's why there is so much screeching that lesbians & gays refuse to date people. They think it's their choice because they don't believe ssa is real. It can't be real if sex is just a construct.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is gonna sound a bit cynical, but I don't think a large proportion of "allies" ever really believed SSA to be a real thing. It was and still is just another kink in their eyes. SSA and exclusive SSA were and are both still considered rebellious subversion by many people who should know better.

Damn.... Honestly, you're probably right. I mean, that certainly is consistent with my experiences talking with straight people, even ones who consider themselves "allies"...

A lot of people(not just in the US) took this as some divine sign that kink of all kinds was given a green-light to become legally accepted and mainstream. Essentially, they took the religious conservative view on what SSA is: Subversive acts meant to stymie traditionalists; The only difference is, they replaced the label "bad thing" with the label "good thing".

Yep, yep, yep, exactly. I have casually described this before on this sub as "benevolent homophobia" (in reference to the phenomenon of benevolent sexism). It's still stereotyping. It's still promoting misinformation.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, yep, yep, exactly. I have casually described this before on this sub as "benevolent homophobia" (in reference to the phenomenon of benevolent sexism). It's still stereotyping. It's still promoting misinformation.

I remember you mentioning that before. And yes, this problematic attitude leads down a path to create some harmful assumptions, as we can see with the current situation with runaway Trans entitlement.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This would make sense when lined up with the fact that most of the people now giving us headaches are narcissists, who always want to feel special and often love the idea of being "subversive" (because that makes them feel more powerful or cooler, while they "retaliate" against people who haven't accepted them (usually because they act like jerks, not for some innate reason)).

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think these woke types really want to be part of some rebellious counterculture and movement. Problem is, they rarely take the social risks(of ostracization) to earn that. They act only after the real risk has evaporated and not by themselves but with the support of a mob, and don't realize or won't acknowledge that real countercultures are usually not promoted by the mainstream media and multinational corporations. As the saying goes, "The revolution will not be televised." These fair weather "activists" are the locusts that consume the crop of countless tilled and well-tended subcultures after all the work has been done and the fruits of public acceptance have ripened. I've seen it again and again. They're like the school bullies of chess nerds who all join the Chess Club only after it get into the news for spawning players who win regional competitions.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have seen this before as well, multiple times. Including one in which a group of people who hadn't participated in an effort, but knew some of us who had, showed up to get some recognition when the powers-that-be decided to stop giving us crap and thank us for our work instead. I will never forget it. We were unpopular until we were making someone else look good, and they then decided to acknowledge us, which brought a bunch of posers out of the woodwork to claim they were involved as well. They weren't.