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[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I'm very torn on Peter Tatchell. His legacy fighting for LGB rights is terrific and he's been badly mistreated over things he didn't say about children and sex. However his recent blanket support for trans self-ID tarnishes that legacy quite a bit. He's only looking at it from a gay male perspective and dismissing women out of hand.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

he's been badly mistreated over things he didn't say about children and sex

What's that about? Is it like how people are taking Fred Sargeant's comment about child predators and twisting it to fit their agenda? What did Peter say?

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you for the link, holy shit!

The more I read the questions being asked, the angrier I get. I'm only halfway through, and it's obvious the interview isn't good faith at all, just gish-galloping. It started out OK, but the questions quickly become worded in a way to try to get him to defend and incriminate himself as a paedophile supporter.

He keeps answering, "no, this is what I said and meant", and the interviewer is like, "well did you REALLY mean this other thing?". And he's like, "no, this and ...", and they come back with, "well this other point, did you REALLY mean ..."

[–]millicentfawcett 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The discomfort with Tatchell stems from a letter he wrote to a newspaper where he states "Several of my friends gay and straight, male and female had sex with adults from age 9-13. None feel they were abused. All say it was their conscious choice and gave them great joy"

The whole letter is a pro paedophilia argument, I'm not sure how it can be interpreted as anything else.

I used to have a lot of time for Tatchell, his book Battle for Bermondsey was one of the first I read on my Sociology course as a teenager but now I just find him disappointing.

This is the letter https://gript.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Peter-Tatchell-Letter-1.jpg

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My gay elders always told me that they won by throwing queer bodies onto police batons until the bloody mess became unpalatable even to homophobes.

There was a lot of stonewall was a riot comments as well,. But this comment is so ridiculous... so much lobbying by lgb people in suits to get our right done,.. they think stonewall happened and then the rights sprung from the ground after. THey don’t like his win by the better argument style because they are sjw’s and sjws don’t debate they shut down people they don’t agree with. That’s why they don’t like him, HE WANTS TO TALK TO THE FASCISTS!!1!!2

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They know they can't win by the better argument. They know their critics are right.

[–]filbs111 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

AFAICT, Peter is an "old school" kind of liberal person who believes in free expression, open exchange of ideas, sunlight is the best disenfectant etcetera. Modern types who suspect that their ideas might get disinfected don't like that.