Wow. I've never thought about it this way. Do you think that's really what they believe? I mean, now you say it like that, it's totally consistent with much of the rhetoric in the transgender debate-- the level of entitlement, the homophobia and expressed disgust about same-sex attraction... it's just a total mindset-shift for me, to consider. Wow.

I'll never actually know what they truly believe, but yeah- it's consistent with what we're seeing I think.

Ahhhh. You know, this reminds me of how in the pre-Civil War era (US I mean, sorry if you're from another country), the elite class in the South would pitch racist beliefs as a way to mollify the poorer white Southerners. Ultimately it still comes down to dehumanization of an oppressed minority, and falsehoods about the humanity and wholeness of people in that minority group.

Little motivation to improve one's personality or circumstances when there exists a stable feeling of superiority over others like this. A good tool for social control.

Yup was about to reference that as well. Or not even just a subverse kink... that it's wrong, morally, that there's something wrong with us. That's why they insist on calling us "queer," too, and if we protest, they call us bigots and shameful for protesting. Makes me want to loudly push back against the q-slur more than ever.

They're already othering SSA it seems. Like the bigoted Bookworms are getting kicked out the Book Club in favour of people who don't even read but talk about reading culture and dress in reading clothes, eat reading food, and listen to reading music...

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It's given me a lot to think about. I think all these points are really important. I wonder if we are underestimating the threat that colonization by the kink community poses to LGB people. "Pride" is a word that I have grown uneasy hearing, because these days it often entails promoting homophobic beliefs, and often by celebrating same sex attraction as something that is deviant.

Kink(which can have potentially unlimited flavours) should have no allotted soapbox at Pride, along with many non sexual orientation related agendas. But it seems Pride has become mostly that. I'm practically an outsider to the culture, and what I'm seeing now doesn't make me want to change that at all.

Tempted to make a post about this topic, lol. It really is a game changer, considering that many people-- many liberal people, I mean (I already know firsthand that many conservatives do)-- think of same-sex attracted sexual orientations as deviant, in all likelihood.

Sounds like a good idea. I appreciate the discussion here.