DiscussionJamaicans protest Pride flag at US embassy - thoughts?

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[–]boypower 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It has a very '' our culture is superior to yours because we accept the gays when it's convenient for us '' kind of feeling. Obviously any culture accepting of homosexuality is superior than those who don't in my eyes, but in these types of situations it all feels like we are being weaponized and used (as a shield) in order to advance a political agenda that often doesn't even have anything to do with LGB.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a good point. And such a claim is often at odds with what is actually happening at home in the country claiming it.

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know if there's a violation of the Vienna Convention occurring, I'm not that educated on international matters ... but in my personal opinion, I don't think we should be flying the Pride flag alongside the US flag on official government property (whether the land belongs to us or host countries). It's virtue-signaling and a misrepresentation of the purpose of US government, and in this case, seems intentionally obtuse to foreign relations.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

A lot of economic and social politics are wrapped up with the gay pride flag beyond accepting same-sex relationships.

We get used as a shield.

[–]spanishprofanity 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Most Jamaicans are anti-gay religious fanatics so is it comfortable to say fuck most Jamaicans?

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 5 insightful - 7 fun5 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

But if we fucked them...that would make them gay too!!!!! /s

[–]spanishprofanity 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

😱

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

It's hilarious how the rightoids who in every other context would call Jamaica a 'shithole country' are all praising them on this one.

It's really thought provoking...

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It was ever thus, with all sides of the political spectrum

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This video was retweeted by a radfem/gender-critical Twitter handle, ripx4nutmeg.

From the video (1:42):

"You have to understand what that multicolor flag represents. It represents normalizing perverse sexual behaviors and lifestyle choices, behaviors and lifestyles that lead to disease and death. Our Christian duty is to speak the truth in love."

What I am wondering is:

  1. Do you agree with the arguments made by the protesters? Obviously, these people are homophobic, but perhaps it really is violating international codes to fly an extra political flag at an embassy, etc...

  2. Why did this radfem/GC retweet this without any additional comment or context?

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Let's start with a basic premise here: no matter how much they try to repress homossexuality, it will never go away, it will just be in the undergound, still going strong.

Now with that explained, to the questions:

Do you agree with the arguments made by the protesters?

There's two arguments here: I. About homossexuality and disease/death and II. Imperialism.

Let's start with II: It's imperialist for the US government to be flying a pride flag in Jamaican soil?

Yes, but here's the thing: the US flag being there at all could be read as a form of imperialism.

Let's not forget that said flag don't merely represents the US as a country, but a set of values related to being American. Why do you think they put the damn thing on the moon?

The protesters are concerned not with the values represented by the US flag (you know, the pointless wars that created a political clustefuck in the Middle East?) but with the values being represented by the Pride flag.

TL, DR: The protests are motivated by homophobia, not the imperalistic US machine which destabilize whole countries for it's own interest.

So now let's dig deep into I: 'the gaystm' bring disease and death.

It's bs, clear and simple.

They're just using 'the gaystm' as a scapegoat for the problems they currently have in this regard, plain and simple.

In some countries on sub-saharan Africa we can see the same shit: they blame 'gaystm' for the HIV/Aids problem they have even though most of the population there consists of anti-gay christians.

No, it's not the lack of sexual education (which is frowned upon by said christians) or contraceptives (again, frowned upon), it's entirely the fault of 'the gaystm'.

Aham...

Also, let's address the imperialism question again: why rightoids are so eager to cry imperialism in this case when the entire consolidation of Christianity in Jamaica was a product of imperialism, which goes uncriticized? Strange, isn't it?

Why did this radfem/GC retweet this without any additional comment or context?

It could be either the good old 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' attitude, which could bite them in the ass in the future if done uncritically, orrrrr on a more cynical note could be just a sign that this specific radfem/GC doesn't give a shit about gay men.

I'll leave which is the case for my fellow posters to decide.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for the logical breakdown. That makes a ton of sense.

It is interesting to see the double standard they are holding between the US flag and the pride flag. That being said, I feel like I could see an argument for some Americans, not Jamaicans, being legitimately frustrated with having the pride flag on the US embassy because might imply that all of America is behind the pride. But then, many Americans also don't like the US flag, either...

Also, let's address the imperialism question again: why rightoids are so eager to cry imperialism in this case when the entire consolidation of Christianity in Jamaica was a product of imperialism, which goes uncriticized? Strange, isn't it?

Yeah, I've never understood that sort of turning-a-blind-eye mentality, either.. it really is at odds with what they are claiming to value (rejection of imperialism).

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    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You had two paragraphs in your reply.

    Your first paragraph is fine:

    All embassies fly their nation's flag at whatever fucking country they're fucking in. Stop crying "Waaah, imperialism", it's idiotic. The US planted the flag on the moon because they were the ones who achieved the feat. And the crucial famous point was ".. FOR ALL MANKIND". The astronauts didn't chant "GoUSA!".

    Your second paragraph (not quoting) is not, and is why your comment is removed.

    You can re-reply with your first paragraph and continue, but please stay on-topic with the user you're talking to. Your second paragraph is ranting about other people and conversations, and is derailing this.