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[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Hey. Just to let you know that you are loved. You deserve to be happy just the way you are. Just know that if you ever need someone to talk to, you can pm me. I'm lesbian, so unfortunately I'm not a GNC gay man, but I just hope you know that you're amazing. Big hugs <3

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks. I feel a little better now getting that off my chest lol. It was just really nagging at me because I read through these stories of these men and they call themselves everything else under the sun but never a man and I'm just like "YOU ARE A MAN." Y'know? haha.

[–]Mermer 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Same goes for GNC women. I'm sick of the misogyny so strong to the point where being called a woman is a slur. Women are amazing!

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. I noticed that with a lot of women, particularly younger women these days calling themselves "Nonbinary" (the men on the other hand are calling themselves "Trans"). It's just. WHAT IS GOING ON? 20 years later and this is the "progress"? It fucking isn't! lol

[–]Criticallacitirc 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

So I would say I'm a gender neutral man, but I'm generally smooth & have long hair. So I often get hit up by chasers who say in their profiles they're "straight" & only into trans women. I'll specifically say, I'm not trans. They'll respond how it's okay and then they'll go off how they want to suck my cock or whatever.

I feel like the reason so many femme gnc guys have adopted a "non-man" identity is to soothe the delusions of their chasers. That it's not gay to suck a cock, because it's not a man. If these men could just admit they are atleast bisexual & are attracted to effeminate men, I would think some of this would calm down. Unfortunately I don't see that happening.

[–]CaptainMooseEx-Bathhouse Employee 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

So I often get hit up by chasers who say in their profiles they're "straight" & only into trans women. I'll specifically say, I'm not trans. They'll respond how it's okay and then they'll go off how they want to suck my cock or whatever.

I feel like the reason so many femme gnc guys have adopted a "non-man" identity is to soothe the delusions of their chasers.

This is why I find trans-identified men like Blaire White so disingenuous when they say that the "straight" men they are with cannot possibly be bi because they are "only into transwomen and cis women." They sell this narrative to anyone watching while gay men feel gaslighted because we know for a damn fact that these men aren't only into surgically altered men on hormones- they often go for twinks, too, and any other guy who is thin and hairless. But if gay men speak out about this, we get met with a chorus of "hurr durr you can't tell someone what their sexual orientation is."

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Fucking thank you for this. Blaire White (and now Samantha Lux) are some of the biggest liars when it comes to this. They know damn well that they were attracting the same men they do now that they did before they adopted the Gender woo nonsense. And even then, Blaire ended up with a closet case bisexual (possible homosexual) man anyway. I hadn't seen blaire's old videos in awhile and recently radical feminist YouTuber Vanessa Vokey did a video on Blaire addressing the internalized homophobia that was evident in his boyfriend. The way that Joey reacted when he saw old photos of Blaire before he started going for the bimbo look (he's still a man, I don't buy into transgenderism period and his reactions were pretty telling.

I look like this and as you can see, I don't have hormone moobs or moob implants or surgically alterations but my look is still very feminine in comparison to the average man and even I get these men who claim to only be into trans-identified males. And I know for a fact Blaire did as well but the common thing was that these men suffered from internalized homophobia and only seek guys like us out for sex which isn't productive when you're trying to find a real relationship.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

While I'm sure that many (perhaps most) of the men attracted to feminine-looking guys are indeed closeted, plausible-deniability-seeking gay or bi, it seems like at least some may be straight fetishists, don't you think? The kind of heterosexual men who mistake female-gender-role accoutrements such as dresses/skirts, high-heeled shoes, makeup, long hair, and so on for "woman"-- because they don't actually SEE women at all. Just the artificial trappings. These are the types for whom women with short hair, non-"girly" clothes, and no makeup don't even count as real women. They may also have AGP, and therefore react to feminine men as an extension of this fetish: humiliation is hawt-->feminization of men is the ultimate humiliation-->it doesn't get any hawt-er than feminine (thus hella-humiliated) men.

Does any of this square with your own experience?

[–]DiscoStegosaurus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I hope this isn’t totally out of line, and I know that it’s off topic, but I absolutely love your look. I’m a straight woman who lurks this sub for its sanity, so I try not to intrude on the conversations, but I just wanted to tell you that.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Haha it's all good. Thank you :)

[–]HelloMomo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The way that Joey reacted when he saw old photos of Blaire before he started going for the bimbo look

Anyone got a link to that video? I'm curious now.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]Criticallacitirc 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

100% agree. However in Blaires SuperStraight video, she says none of the men that has been with her are entirely straight, she says they're probably 1 or 2s on the Kinsey scale.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Doesn't matter what he says. He's just too chickenshit to tell the truth. He knows damn well that no straight men are going for him period and that the men who try to get at him are Bisexuals (Most of them closeted). There's no need for the fucking kinsey scale in this equation, the simple fact of the matter is that he was/is attracting closet-case bisexuals, end of story. Sorry to be so blunt but I can't with Blaire and his disingenuous sense of self..

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My experience has been the same with those guys you talked about. Just closet case deluded bisexual men who's internalized homophobia holds them back from truly experiencing attraction to feminine gay men.

I feel like the reason so many femme gnc guys have adopted a "non-man" identity is to soothe the delusions of their chasers. That it's not gay to suck a cock, because it's not a man.

Yeah i think this is true for a good many as well. These Femme GNC gay guys think the only way they can attract men is to play into the delusion of the chasers but it doesn't work anyway. All this does is get you empty promises and still being treated like you're disposable.

If these men could just admit they are atleast bisexual & are attracted to effeminate men, I would think some of this would calm down

I agree. But this is why feminine gay men need to stop with the delusion. Stop thinking you're a type of woman just because you prefer femininity. And stop playing into the internalized homophobia fuel of these Bisexual men. Don't let these men infer that you're a woman because you know you aren't. The point is GNC men need to stand up for themselves.

[–]Trolley 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm a pretty masculine guy, so I can't speak from experience only from outward observation. There are some of us who are very much attracted to gender-nonconforming men. My boyfriend is such a man and I find him extremely attractive. Don't give up looking, and don't lower your standards. You'll find him.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well on the dating front, it's just been a little rough tbh. I've been trying to date as GNC feminine gay man for 9 years now. Started when I was 20 and I'll be 30 next month and throughout this period, it's been unrequited mutual attraction, creepy old guys, and closet-case "Chasers". It just feels like I may have to accept that if I want to continue being myself, I'll more than likely have to accept being single forever because after asking what others thought about my appearance in the past and how most were telling me to start looking more masculine or the minority half trying to push me into ridiculous trans ideology, it's just gets mentally taxing at times.

And when I try to find other Gender nonconforming gay men to just vent with and talk with, I'm bombarded with the "Gender woo" crap and it's just aggravating.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I hope you will find someone. You sounds like a very good person, who would make a good partner. Life can be unfair.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Aw thanks. I guess I'll just have to see for the future lol.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I just will say one thing: there's a fair share of gay man who like GNC men, but be aware of the sex pests, because they love to pray on effeminate, delicate gay men.

Stand on your ground and don't let yourself to be used by them.

Build you self-esteem up.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I appreciate the niceness but I don't really agree with the gay men liking GNC men thing. At least in my experience, I hardly if ever attract Gay men. The one time I can remember, it was a guy who was significantly older than me (he was in his 70s, I was 22-23) and I'm sure that was mostly because he was trying to prey on young guys. Aside from that, what few guys I have attracted over the year,s most of them were closeted bisexuals who called themselves "Straight".

So I'm not so sure if there are that many Gay men who are attracted to Gender nonconforming feminine men. But i do appreciate the sentiment~

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

At least in my experience, I hardly if ever attract Gay men. The one time I can remember, it was a guy who was significantly older than me (he was in his 70s, I was 22-23) and I'm sure that was mostly because he was trying to prey on young guys.

Yes, preference for guys with softer is more of an age thing in my experience, but they aren't THAT old, as the ones I've know are in their 30s and 40s. The problem is, as you pointed out, avoiding the creeps, which can be done by noticing some red flags these types tend to show.

Also, even with the pandemic still going on, I would advise you to try and to find a date in person, because online apps nudge people towards being shallow in regards to appearance, so it might help you in finding a partner.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh I got guys in their early 40s to their 60s too, they just would be asking for dick pics or even some trying to pay me to have sex with them. I did meet up with some older guys when I was younger but it never went anywhere. The generational divide was definitely apparent and even then, most of them were just looking for a "FB" situation. Thankfully these experiences definitely taught me how to notice red flags but that's the thing, it's always red flags (always propositioning for sex).

And yeah I've been told it's better to try to meet guys in person but I don't live anyway near gay clubs and it's not like I can meet guys out in every day public places. Well I mean you could but it's very unlikely.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Let me guess: most of these were closeted as well? I would not be surprised if they were.

My last advice to you would be: don't worry, good things come with time, just keep trying and eventually you'll hit the jackpot.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep all of them were closeted. And thanks! I do get down every now and then but I'm determined to not give up completely just yet.

[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That sounds frustrating as all hell. I'm really sorry you're in that position. Mad respect for sticking up for what you believe, in the face of all this insanity from gender ideologists, it's heartening to see. <3 I am somewhat GNC myself (I'm a lesbian woman) and it makes me feel better knowing there are other sane GNC people out there who are just trying to be themselves.

Do you know many other LGB people IRL who are not into gender ideology? If so, perhaps they might know other GNC gay guys who are not, as well, and could connect you. (There was a GNC gay guy who used to post on this sub a lot more who I was going to ping for this thread, but I think he deleted all his social media, sadly.)

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

To answer your question, sadly I do not. I don't really have friends irl in general to be honest but especially not any GNC gays.

[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What!! That is so surprising to me lol, someone posted one of your videos a couple weeks ago and you seem so cool!

I'm not sure of a good way to find other sane GNC gay guys (or sane GNC people, period...) IRL, honestly. I have found some great people to talk to online by keeping track of people on various forms of social media, and engaging with them/their followers-- e.g. I know of several gay guys on Twitter who post about anti-gender ideology stuff. Sorry I can't be of more help!

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I just haven't had the luck unfortunately. But especially IRL which honestly, I may not ever be able to because even if there are gay GNC people who are against the gender woo, they won't outright say it lol.

[–]Dromedary 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's absolutely more than okay you're not conforming to masculine stereotypes and WE LOVE YOU FOR THAT. Please, always be yourself, your true self, always.

I think you're kind of young? Compared to me at 52 you probably are. I can't imagine all the genderqueering bullshit on the scene today, my sympathies. All I can say is, being gay is a tough row to hoe whether you're masculine or feminine. I'm towards the masc end of the scale, (not in the bearded shirtless circuit dumbass clone way, and I can let my hair down too) and my romantic life has been a disaster area. This sounds like a cliché, but BE YOURSELF ALWAYS, and learn to be VERY FUCKIN' ALL RIGHT with yourself. Love may come or not- most likely it will come and it will go. Sorry to be sounding such a downer, but it's what we all seem to have to deal with as gay men. It's very hard, but it's key to love yourself first and always. Not in a selfish way, just accept the worst and be amazed by the best. Because it will come along. Maybe not forever but do NOt give up hope. And thank god you're not a T------ wanting to chop his dick off. Best to you! Sincere hug.

[–]emptiedriver 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you live in an area that has any kind of rl gay scene? I wonder how things are these days - that seemed so central 20-30 years ago to meeting people and I know so much happens online now, but it also seems so much more likely to draw a more trans-oriented crowd? I don't know for sure if that's true, maybe it's just young people generally, but gay men being effeminate was practically the definition of gay men when I was young, and the whole pendulum swing was to make the point that actually some gay men were not quite so entirely stereotypically femme as you think... So the idea that nowadays people won't even accept that GNC men are gay is almost hilarious except that it really does mean the trans movement has seriously converted a whole generation.

I guess I'm saying, thanks for not being brainwashed, keep making noise about the problem and how it is directly affecting the gay community, and maybe try more offline venues where more mixed age people meet.. I'm sure trans people are everywhere, but maybe you could at least meet more gay friends or mentors and feel like you're less alone. Good luck <3

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I remember looking up some Gay local areas online to see if I could to one of the events but unfortunately it had a lot of pro-trans stuff in it and yeah, I could not be a part of that for obvious reasons. This was pre covid-lockdown and we're going back into restrictions again where I live but I think I'll try again when the restrictions lift.