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[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

What made you feel weird about it?

That part irks me a bit, because that might've been used to subtly tie being against transing to conversion therapy. I think it might also just be a fluke though. I haven't watched the whole thing yet.

[–]Rial[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

That's probably it for me too. Like, he's framed as this sympathetic 'bad guy' for the whole thing. No other ex-trans people, just the super religious one.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Oscar, now!

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[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I didn't see the show. However: maybe a bit of an unpopular opinion, but as long as conversion therapy is limited to talk therapy (possibly about religious topics) I don't see a problem. It does become a problem when it gets into abusive territory (shock, other forms of physical abuse, systematic social isolation, extreme forms of shaming, etc.)

I'm at a point where I prioritize spirituality over other things that are not directly about survival. If others want to do the same (or want to encourage their children to do the same), at the expense of sexual activity, I'm not going to judge. Kids shouldn't be having sex anyway, and if an adult chooses celibacy for religious reasons it's none of my business.

[–]Rial[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Even if the 'talk therapy' is telling them that if they're gay they'll go to hell? One of the main lesbians said she was sent to a program every weekend with kids as young as 11 being told that.

Like, celibacy isn't an option in a lot of them, you have to marry and have kids with someone you can't find attractive.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Let's also not forget that these 'christian booth camps' tend to be full to the brim with sex pests and pedos.

It's not rare to hear accounts of sexual abuse in these places.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Anything can be harmful. As a child I was told some weird things in a totally new-age context that had long-term damaging effects.

I don't agree with what LDS teaches, especially around homosexuality, but I still believe they have a right to teach those things to their kids. The alternative -- the state dictating what parents can and cannot teach their children -- is far worse. This is where we are going with trans ideology, and unless we're willing to maintain a certain level of intellectual principle around the subject we will lose one way or the other (all trans all the time or only heterosexual sex missionary position is allowed).

[–]HelloMomo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't agree with what LDS teaches, especially around homosexuality, but I still believe they have a right to teach those things to their kids. The alternative — the state dictating what parents can and cannot teach their children — is far worse.

I agree.

And honestly, peaking trans has opened my mind about people who disapprove of homosexuality. I don't like it, but I do think they're genuinely entitled to their opinions, in a way that I didn't before.

It's not my place to tell Jackie Hill-Perry how to live her life. And more than that, I think it's at least in the realm of possibility that her religious faith—and even adhering to it in this specific way—might bring her more peace and joy than a romantic relationship would. I don't know. But there's a supreme arrogance to saying that what I personally think is the one and only right answer.

[–]Lizzythelezzo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not my place to tell Jackie Hill-Perry how to live her life. And more than that, I think it's at least in the realm of possibility that her religious faith—and even adhering to it in this specific way—might bring her more peace and joy than a romantic relationship would. I don't know. But there's a supreme arrogance to saying that what I personally think is the one and only right answer.

I have wondered if some of these people have tried same sex dating and it didn't work out well for them. Who knows? Maybe some of them had an abusive relationship, or just found the small dating pool discouraging.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

However: maybe a bit of an unpopular opinion, but as long as conversion therapy is limited to talk therapy (possibly about religious topics) I don't see a problem.

The problem is that conversational therapy can still be harmful, specially to young kids, which are the target demographic for this shit. They're on a key developmental age after all.

A good psychologist won't push their patients to x or y path in life, but just assist them into finding the answer themselves. That's what good medical practice in this field is.

[–]Lizzythelezzo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think there are different levels of conversion therapy. There are some religious people who just promote celibacy, and I think that's fine as long as people don't think that they are going to hell if they choose to date or have sex - and thus it's not really a free choice. I think it's a lot more problematic when they try to turn gay people straight, and insist they date someone of the opposite sex to "cure" them. (I am speaking from experience as I did religious conversion therapy myself.)