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[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

A lot of male TRAs seem to be at the unholy intersection of both.

I've seen empirical research articles which suggest that personality disorders often cluster with multiple paraphilias. If you're interested, I can find a couple to link.

[–]soundsituationI myself was once a gay 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Sure, could you post those? I have a guess, but I'm curious about whether paraphilias overlap with PDs in general or mostly with specific ones.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Okay, found a few links! Sorry for the delay.

  • Comment I made a few months ago, about whether a narcissistic style of argumentation among gender identity ideology believers, is possibly related to epidemiological studies that show personality disorders are much more common among transgender-identified population than those who don't identify as trans. (My comment links to 3 such studies, but there are more; go to Google Scholar and search "personality disorders transgender" or similar searches and you'll find more such studies.]. Bear in mind that the % varies depending on what population you're looking at; 6% is a TON for general population, for example.)

For example: Out of 73 transgender patients receiving SRS, 81% had at least one personality disorder, and 57% had narcissistic personality disorder (at the very least), with higher prevalence among transwomen. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4301205/

Of 87 participants receiving "gender affirming treatments", approx. 50% diagnosed with one or more personality disorders. https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/17/5/1521

Among transgender people not necessarily receiving SRS: 6% of the trans people in the study diagnosed with one or more personality disorders, compared to 0.37% of cis people in the study. https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/trgh.2019.0029

Unofficial data: the Subreddit Overlaps website. It's a gem. For example, r/FtM has an odds ratio of about 6-7 for r/bpd, meaning that someone who posts/comments on r/FtM is 6 or 7 times more likely than the average redditor to also post/comment on r/bpd. (Here's a post I made breaking down some interesting trends among these communities; I made a couple mentions of personality disorders but didn't have time to take many notes about personality disorders in particular, too much other interesting stuff!)

[–]soundsituationI myself was once a gay 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for putting this all together. As crazy as these numbers and correlations are, I'm honestly not surprised by any of it.

A couple things that stood out to me:

-the relatively low prevalence of BPD in that Iranian study. I'm not particularly surprised by this either but it's an interesting exception to the "Cluster B rule". Imo antisocial PD and histrionic PD make a lot more sense as NPD comorbidities in the trans community, especially the intolerant and demanding faction of it that has risen to prominence.

-the especially high levels of NPD in those who undergo "gender-affirming treatment". This makes so much sense to me too. My guess is that this subgroup is made up of exhibitionist narcissists in particular, who are especially image-conscious.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Imo antisocial PD and histrionic PD make a lot more sense as NPD comorbidities

For the record... I think histrionic PD might be on the way out, there's some roots in that diagnosis coming from sexism (e.g. women being accused of being hypersexual in a harmful way, but not men when men do the same behavior; most Histrionic PD diagnosis go to women). But I'd be curious to see how various symptom cluster break down in the transgender population. There are probably more recent studies since I made that post.

My guess is that this subgroup is made up of exhibitionist narcissists in particular, who are especially image-conscious.

I wonder about that as well, or, if they're not outright exhibitionists, that they at least place a lot of value on external image.

No prob, thanks for reading! :) Interesting stuff. Interesting to dissect the train wreck in slow motion, that is, lol.