all 10 comments

[–]DropItLikeItsHot 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

This author is not an ally of LGB causes.

The change came with the shift from “we have to accept gay people” to “every good person must believe in their heart that two people of the same sex can really be married”. From “people have a right to diverse gender expressions” to, “you must believe in your heart that trans women are women”. These are violations of conscience, the latter of science. But as I moved to the right, I did find it a stretch politically and culturally.

Apparently her acceptance of LGB people stops at believing they can be in a legally recognized relationship.

Prominent wealthy lesbians like Keryn Phelps and Christine Forster, who we couldn’t get off our screens during the same-sex marriage campaign, are nowhere to be seen when young lesbians are being sexually coerced.

People reveal who they are the most with these kinds of casual remarks.

Having her on our side of the road may make some conservatives uncomfortable, but they have to widen their tent on this issue or face extinction.

This is conservatism for you; the ends justify the means. They are not the least bit concerned about LGB causes and are happy to stay from their bigoted beliefs where it pertains to being useful to them to support their personal interests.

[–]Horror-SwordfishI don't get how flairs work 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Those sections you quoted also stood out to me. It's interesting, because it does seem like the author is more a champion of "women" than specifically "lesbians" and is mostly using the example of what's happening to lesbians as an example of what could happen to all women if gender identity politics are allowed to continue.

I do see this, however, as an "enemy of my enemy" situation. She may not be an LGB ally (so I can't say "the enemy of my enemy is my friend), but what she's saying in the article does have merit and ultimately, I think that it's not a bad thing that feminists are getting sick of the gender ideology thing, too, and how it harms women.

As gay men, I think we have it a bit easier than lesbians do right now as far as the TQ+ goes. Gay men might have some women fetishizing them and shaming them for not sleeping with said women that pretend to be men, but it doesn't seem quite as threatening to me as the stuff that trans women are pulling with lesbians. So, I think it's okay that maybe this author doesn't see eye-to-eye with LGB on everything, because I feel like LGB people (and especially the L) need allies for this specific issue desperately, and every bit helps.

[–]pacmanla 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As gay men, I think we have it a bit easier than lesbians do right now as far as the TQ+ goes. Gay men might have some women fetishizing them and shaming them for not sleeping with said women that pretend to be men, but it doesn't seem quite as threatening to me as the stuff that trans women are pulling with lesbians.

I agree with this. As a heterosexual male who discovered the unfortunate bullying of these mentally disturbed males on lesbians, I was horrified. I've always sided with the LGB when it came to same sex marriage & acceptance of two men/women being together. The "T" are basically trying to (with big money behind them) demolish language as we know it & attempt to destroy biology as a means for NO ONE to have personal boundaries. Lesbians have been outright bullied & shame into accepting idiotic, delusional, & nonsense catchphrases as "girl cock" or "lady dick". I started VEHEMENTLY siding with lesbians & telling anyone who would listen, what the "T" was attempting. Gay men, straight men & women are definitely not exempt fom these crazies, but they have a special hatred for biological women (because they know the can never be one).

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 18 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

As a lesbian, thanks a lot. We want to be dick free lmao

[–]DropItLikeItsHot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The thing is that conservatives also actively harm women by trying to deny them reproductive rights. I don't believe we have anything to gain from or need to align ourselves with them just because they happen to agree on one particular issue, and that it's important to make it clear to the people trying to paint all LGB people who don't embrace T as conservatives, that it simply isn't true.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am a Christian, so the right is not a place I am completely unacquainted with

Yes definitely not someone I would dream of allying with for fear of getting up with fleas. Just thought it was an interesting piece from yet another perspective.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is conservatism for you; the ends justify the means. They are not the least bit concerned about LGB causes and are happy to stay from their bigoted beliefs where it pertains to being useful to them to support their personal interests.

Which is interesting considering conservatives used to push transgenderism as gay conversion therapy in times past. US, Canada, South Africa and UK all had programs with the objective of 'curing' homossexuality via transition.

Also, in the past trans people received alot of sympathy by the same media which treated gay and lesbian people with scorn. Let's not forget that.

The conservative stance towards transgenderism only started to change when TRAs started to integrate transgender issues into LGB rights, moment which gave rise to the 'tucute' shit that permeates trans rhetoric today.

Have you ever wondered why an expressive number of truscum (HSTS and AGP alike) are conservative? That's why.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, this is something that I've noticed, too-- those on the right tend to oppose transgenderism only when they perceive it as "gay", and/or a rejection of gender roles (these things often blur together).

It's a persistent worry of mine, actually, that conservatives in the western world will soon realize that trans is neither-- in fact it's the natural enemy of same-sex-attracted people, and only serves to reinforce gender roles-- and cease to oppose it... or perhaps even begin promoting it. I really, REALLY hope that they never figure this out.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is conservatism for you; the ends justify the means. They are not the least bit concerned about LGB causes and are happy to stay from their bigoted beliefs where it pertains to being useful to them to support their personal interests.

And that's hardly unique to conservatives. The left is currently more than willing to sell the lgb, the health and future of transitioned people, and women's rights down the river simply to make themselves seem more progressive/ethical and to spite the right. It's incredibly shallow and selfish but it's on the other end of the ideological continium. It's like the two extremes are almost joining together somehow in their opposite-ness. Like the ends of a horseshoe.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)