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[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

people are blaming same-sex marriage equality for the current TQ mess

I can see the connection here. Gay rights groups existed to fight the last great 'battle' for true equality. They were (one can assume) reasonably well funded and employed a lot of people. When gay marriage was legalised (and I'm talking specifically about in the US here, because this woke nonsense is very much a US import) these organisations didn't simply disband, thanks for your hard work everyone, back to the 'regular' world of work with you.

It will sound like I've got a tin foil hat on, but I like to think of this as similar to cancer research. There must be billions of dollars of research going into curing cancer every year, all over the world, and the cancer research industry must employ hundreds of thousands of people. If they miraculously discovered a cure for cancer tomorrow, do you think they'd all quietly shut down and that would be that?

A better example might be Big Racism™. People like Robin DiAngelo and Ibram X Kendi make thousands of dollars for appearing at a single event and telling people how racist they are. The armies of Diversity and Inclusion Managers and Unconcious Bias Training Seminar leaders depend on the existence of racism for their very existence. That's why racism is suddenly not only so pervasive that every interaction between two people of a different race is awash with racism in some way, but also so invisible and insidious that the very structures of society itself are now also racist. That kind of 'racism' will never go away and people like Robin DiAngelo will be laughing all the way to the bank until people realise she's little more than a fart in a frock and collectively waft her out of the room.

Second, it's sometimes hard not to agree with the foaming-at-the-mouth conservative radio hosts who argued that allowing gay marriage was a slippery slope to allowing all sorts of other nonsense. We're seeing the nonsense now. It's refreshing to see that things like paedophilia and bestiality are still beyond the pale, but it's only a short leap from 'children can consent to life-changing medical procedures' to 'children can consent to anything an adult can'.

As for your second point, I myself often struggle to reconcile the concepts of 'being trans is a mental disorder' with 'being gay isn't a mental disorder'. I'm not a psychiatrist so I can't weigh in on the intricacies of mental health diagnoses, but I am soothed by the evidence that you can't really 'treat' homosexuality; sexuality seems to be pretty fixed. Attempts at drug or conversion therapy don't appear to work, whereas many (most?) people who undergo intense therapy for gender dysphoria (especially younger people) will 'snap out of it'.

Of course, that's a poor yardstick by which to determine whether something is or is not a psychiatric condition. Many people have intensive medical and psychological intervention for all sorts of 'established' mental illnesses like schizophrenia or anorexia and never 'really recover'.

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    [–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

    Most people are racist to some degree, not just white people.

    [–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Just try being from the wrong clan or ethnic group in any African country

    [–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Everyone seems to forget Rwanda these days, even though it was relatively recent.

    [–]SailorMoon2020 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    To be fair, that started because of European colonization and the the desire to be close to whiteness. The two ethnic groups fighting: one had European ancestry and thus physical traits while the other group did not.

    [–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Ah, that explains a few things.

    [–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Does genocide existing in Africa post European colonization, exploitation, and pillaging justify American enslavement and genocide of Black and Indigenous people?

    [–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    I don't think you can be reasoned with as you seem to believe those things are a "white" pathology and didn't exist before European colonialism. You should talk to some Neanderthals. Oh, shit, that's right...

    [–]SerpensInferna 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Because pre-colonial Africa was a complete utopia, I guess.

    [–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Still not understanding why genocide and enslavement driven by whites' demand for resources and land was a necessicary component.

    [–]Daddiescummies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    True, except white Americans were the ones who engaged in mass enslavement and genocide of Indigenous and Black people to build generational wealth and systems that continue to exploit Black and Indigenous people to benefit whites.

    [–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    That doesn't negate my point. Are you trying to say people of colour can't be racist because white people are really racist in that specific case?

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    That user is banned, and yes, that's exactly what they would say.

    I left their comment up because there is some truth to American enslavement of minorities, and that's discussion-worthy.

    However, that user would not be discussing it in good-faith, and is also derailing every single thread they participate in with it. This thread isn't about white racism in the USA, it's about US marriage equality for LGBs.

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      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      We can all say bitch, bitch. However, don't be a bitch and bring your bitching to a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with your personal problem. Don't target another user while you're being bitchy either, we don't allow that. Also ... none of us knew YOU reported another user, but now YOU just put yourself on the radar. Good job, bitch.

      OK, enough of that.

      Send a message to moderators to review your case. We call it "ModMail" for anyone familiar with Reddit/SaidIt subs, but for those newer or unfamiliar, it's called "message the moderators". It's linked all over the place, but here ya go: https://saidit.net/message/compose?to=%2Fs%2FLGBDropTheT

      Please reference me by name - TumbleweedFireflies or IPD (my old username) - and I'll look into it. If you send a message tonight and I'm offline, I'll be back tomorrow and will respond.

      Please provide a link to your removed comment and/or your ban message (or you can reply to the ban message to immediately resurrect it into our ModMail). I was gone for several months for personal reasons, and am back now, and can't locate it. I checked your profile for posts/comments over the past year and don't see anything removed. If you deleted it, well ... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

      [–]SailorMoon2020 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      That user, forgot the name, targeted that other user, and nothing was done. So again, we either all can be bitches to each other or we cant.

      I don't give a fuck about putting myself on the radar; the sub has less than 2000 peeps, and members can simply block me if they don't desire to see my comments. It's not a big deal, basically, especially since I'm hardly on the site since it keeps breaking down which it will do again quite soon.

      I also don't delete...it was a MOD. Nonetheless, thanks, for the shout out!