DiscussionWhat does “woke” or “wokeness” mean to you and how would you explain that to an intelligent woke gay friend who you were trying to convince it poses a problem for the gay community?

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[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I won't have time to dig into this one for a few days at least, so I will just contribute this observation: Part of being "woke" is being gullible, sympathetic, and easily played when the usual narcissistic suspects come along to jump on a platform and claim fake victimhood to gain power. Great example (other than the endless TRA examples): "Believe all women." Sure. Have you ever met one with NPD or BPD who makes it their business to make false accusations regularly? (Men with Cluster B issues do this, too, but women tend to be believed more often.) That will change your mind right quick. No group of people is categorically saintly. Don't be a fool about this. Those people WILL use you to get what they want, because you (the woke) will compliantly sit there repeating your foolish little mantras to yourself about an alternate social and behavioral reality that does not exist. Sanity check your assumptions. Don't abdicate your responsibility to consistently engaging in critical thought. A sad or tragic story might be true; it might also not be true. A villain might exist; the alleged villain might also be the actual victim. And you need to lose any naive innocence you have about this sooner rather than later. It sucks but it must be done, because the exploiters of the world are looking for you and when they find you, they will Trojan-horse the bleep out of you. Often to get back at some other target they were already mistreating.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries"[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thank you! I’m loving all these different perspectives that ring so true, including yours. This goes hand in hand with the comment about wokeness being about a refusal to accept, contend with, or even try to understand human nature. That they are trying to socialize out our self-protective biological instincts. My mom has NPD so I have no illusions about all women being innocent and all men guilty.

Wokism has Cluster B personality disorders woven all through it. It platforms those with those disorders or who have traits of these disorders. They appear confident and sure of themselves while they spout utter nonsense. Like listen to Ibrahim Kendi talk for 30 seconds and he’s way off-base from his initial premise. And you hear these mantras like “abolish the police” and “transwomen are women” and many will basically excuse it as “people don’t actually mean what they say. That’s not meant to be taken literally.” And they go along with it because when someone says X, they’ve been trained by these charlatans to mentally superimpose Y and act like it’s ridiculous for anyone to think they mean X when they say X.

But these charlatans get platformed and develop followings because the majority of the woke are being socialized to ignore warning signs and to believe that people are who they say they are. Those lost, trusting souls who just wanna do good and be seen as good are a buffet for personality-disordered bullshit artists.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Abso-effing-lutely. All of the above. https://media.giphy.com/media/x0n89ZitkjQYbXQG9K/giphy.gif

And my condolences about your mother, that is a rough damned ride. I hope you are relatively free of and healed from that experience.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries"[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I haven’t talked to her in over 5 years and most days I forget I even have a mother. Forgetting about her existence is the biggest blessing and nothing has brought more peace to my life. I’m not one to advocate that everyone should jump right into cutting their parents out of their lives but mine was a very easy decision that was probably the most self-loving thing I’ve ever done. 😁

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm glad you did. Poison is poison is poison. Doesn't matter who's inflicting it. (Well it does, because a parent can do vastly more damage, but I digress.)