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[–]our_team_is_winning 33 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 0 fun34 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

In defense of actual bisexuals here:

I for one do NOT have any interest in fake men or women. A man pretending to be a woman (and always failing miserably) is some mentally ill narcissist with a sick fetish who actually hates women. He's not a desirable man. He's sure as hell not a woman. I don't see where he is of romantic interest to anyone.

Any self-described bisexual who is open to "trans" is a Gender Extremist "queer" troublemaker. This is why we needed that "super" prefix I guess.

A person has mental issues if they call a man "she" or a woman "he." Instead of bisexual, they're "freaksexual."

If bisexual men want to talk about their relationships and interests in men, or have questions about male with male sexual relationships, I don't think they should be chased out because they also sleep with women, but if they're there to talk about "transmen" and their "front hole" shit -- these are just mentally ill people with no respect for either men or women. They're "genderqueer" bullies.

Bisexual doesn't mean "trans" acceptance. Any trans demands handmaiden (what's the bro version? Wokebro?) pushing for mentally ill narcissists who think they can change their sex in gay, lesbian, or hell ANY forum, need to back off.

[–]usehername 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

In defense of actual bisexuals

I take issue with the fact that every time the problems OP is describing are brought up, someone has to jump in and claim these people are somehow not "actual bisexuals". If they're genuinely attracted to both males and females, they are actually bisexual.

Any self-described bisexual who is open to "trans" is a Gender Extremist "queer" troublemaker. This is why we needed that "super" prefix I guess.

That's really not the origin of the "super" thing. It was a het guy describing the fact that attraction to males is a physical impossibility due to his immutable orientation. I understand that for many bis, being attracted to trans people is also a "physical impossibility" because they are simply not attracted, but the fact remains that "bi except trans" is not an orientation, but a preference, which should also be respected. Bisexuals have a very different orientation from hetero and homosexuals, so stuff like "super" just doesn't work for us.

Any trans demands handmaiden (what's the bro version? Wokebro?) pushing for mentally ill narcissists who think they can change their sex in gay, lesbian, or hell ANY forum, need to back off.

Now that, we can agree on.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

"bi except trans" is not an orientation, but a preference,

It's an orientation. It's the meaning of "bisexual." Attraction to trans people is something non-bisexual people tack on after the fact under the wrong label; they should be using something else, like "pansexual," to mean that.

Please do not call an orientation that has been recognized for many decades suddenly a preference. It isn't. And "SuperBi" works perfectly fine to reinforce the point of what "bisexual" has always meant.

[–]usehername 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Uh no. Bisexuals are attracted to both sexes: male and female, men and women. Trans people are still either men or women, so bisexual people are can theoretically be attracted to them. Obviously, bisexuals aren't going to be attracted to every single man or woman, so individual bis may not be attracted to trans people, but bi people who are attracted to trans people are bi, as long as they are attracted to both men and women. "Pansexuality" isn't a real orientation, because orientations are sex-based (same, opposite, or both), not "gender" based.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you are not hearing yourself. Let's unpack this: "Trans people are still either men or women, so bisexual people are can theoretically be attracted to them." As their unwanted biological sex, not the one they claim to be but aren't, perhaps, but that is not a blanket statement applicable to all bisexuals by any remote stretch of the imagination and needs to not be promoted as such, which is what you are doing here by claiming that +trans is an orientation, but -trans is a preference.

Being trans is another thing entirely not related to orientation. Understanding and acknowledging the sex one is is sort of baseline requirement for being a candidate for dating. So a trans person, no matter how much I like them otherwise, is automatically not in my dating pool. And nothing whatsoever needed to be modified about the definition of "bisexual" for this to be true, either. The modification is coming from people tacking "trans" on to what is included in the term.

And this is why we deal with trans people trying to bully us by definition. Rewriting the meaning of words doesn't grant the fake new meanings primacy, it just makes people who want power and control look desperate.

Find another term for this. Bisexual is taken. Not sure why you are so desperate to force attraction to trans people to be part of bisexuality in the first place. As we have discussed here many times, "man" and "woman" have clear, understandable meanings related to biology and body parts. If someone wants to play mix'n'match in their heads and then get surgery to feel like they really are that sex now, they are doing something else (and also taking away a key factor that would make them attractive as their biological sex, if being unable to accept that detail about themselves didn't already disqualify them). More power to them, but leave bisexuality out of it. This is as unwelcome and unnecessary (find a more precise term that isn't already taken) of an argument as it would be to say that lesbians should like "girldick." I like my men knowing they are men, and my women knowing they are women. Period.

ETA: Just so it's really super clear, a trans person, even if possessed of an identifiable biological sex and intact body parts, isn't part of the definition of people I'd want to sleep with and partner. So they are not part of the definition of bisexual, or a demographic that would be discussed in a dating context (which is the whole point of a term like "bisexual"), any more than trying to include doorknobs would be relevant—it's not a relevant category of entity. Just like men who insist they are women are not a relevant dating category for lesbians.