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[–]DiveBarDiva 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

I think since she was on such heavy antidepressants she wasn’t attracted to anyone while this was going on. I don’t think she was a fetishist. She was just trying to figure out the type of relationship she would want to be on based on power dynamics. Her dysphoria made her think she was male, her internalized misogyny and lesbophobia made female relationships seem off putting. It doesn’t help that lesbian porn is the only time a young person who doesn’t know any lesbians in real life would see anything to do with lesbians. Not experiencing any type of attraction would make it hard to figure out your sexuality. I agree I the anime is contributing to this stuff happening. I wonder how though.

[–]our_team_is_winning 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (20 children)

I don’t think she was a fetishist.

Agreed in her case. I like her a lot. I've watched some of her videos and an interview. But teenage girls in general seem to be going the fetish route over gay men, mostly from anime sources (not even real men, just cartoons of pretty boys).

I think it's a non-threatening form of sexual dabbling. They have no clue about actual gay men. It's more like comic book sexuality. Is there a word for yaoi being a girl's sexual orientation? (Afraid to go looking. Still reeling from diaper fur.)

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Is there a word for yaoi being a girl's sexual orientation?

Autoandrophilia? Would be abbreviated as AAP. Some human sex researchers believe that "women are too pure to have fetishes like men do," though, so they haven't studied it.

(Afraid to go looking. Still reeling from diaper fur.)

Completely understandable.

[–]our_team_is_winning 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Some human sex researchers believe that "women are too pure to have fetishes

So it's not actually a fact, it's just a suspicion with no research to back it up.

Women definitely have some kind of "fetish" - if you define it as sexual attraction to something other than our sex organs or sexed body parts [I mean, broad shoulders and a muscular chest isn't a sex organ, but it's definitely a very male thing, so I wouldn't call attraction to that a "fetish" if you're into men.]

I was thinking specifically of the vampire craze. At one point there was just one TV series after another with "sexy vampires" -- and of course the Twilight books and all the others in that genre (nothing new actually) -- and so many women glued to them. Getting turned on by that seems like a fetish to me.

[–]usehername[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I know you weren't talking to me, but I wanted to say that when females read yaoi, they usually imagine themselves as one of the males, which is the AAP aspect; the attraction to the males isn't generally the fetishistic part.

So it's not actually a fact, it's just a suspicion with no research to back it up.

This is anecdotal, but I have met AAPs before, and you can find people online saying they are AAP and describing all the signs (as analogous to AGP). However the idea that "women are too pure to have paraphilias" is contrary to the evidence, and to me, it only seems logical that there would be a reverse of AGP.

I was thinking specifically of the vampire craze. At one point there was just one TV series after another with "sexy vampires" -- and of course the Twilight books and all the others in that genre (nothing new actually) -- and so many women glued to them. Getting turned on by that seems like a fetish to me.

Yes, definitely. I think that would also fall under the umbrella of either sadism or masochism, but more specific. Some people really do identify as "vampiresexual/vampsexual".

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

yaoi

I've been trying to unravel why the medium for this is strictly artistic. Perhaps it's just too niche, but it's been suggested to me that autism plays a role insofar as the anime genre uses exaggerated emotions, which are apparently more readily understood, yaoi or not.

[–]usehername[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Possibly, but there's also the fact that drawn nudity is a lot less jarring than actual nudity. These gals may also watch live gay porn, though, but pedophilia is a common theme in yaoi, which can't be done live without severe consequences.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

There are common themes in literature that women tend to find erotic. Beast-taming is probably the short way to put it. 50 shades? Beauty and the beast? This does however strike me as an epiphenomena.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Epiphenomena of what? Masochism?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I don't think so.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Ok, epiphenomena of what?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I don't know. Me and others have seen the pattern but nobody knows what to make of it. It's intuition that tells me it's an epiphenomenon. It's also something I've only really seen in works of fiction, and I haven't exactly collected any real-life anecdotes. There is a dichotomy of what fiction appeals to women, and what they tend to seek from partners.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Are you describing women sexualising certain interpersonal dynamics? E.g. emotional availability, pursuit, status, power dynamics, availability, safety etc. Or are you getting at something else? Because you could pick vampires, wearwolves, K-pop bands, and dishy unavailable early 19th century landowners; and I would think they all hit much the same emotional beats.

[–]usehername[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Beauty in the beast is not erotic literature for women, it's propaganda for girls to accept arranged marriages with abusive men.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The theme of beauty and the beast. Not specifically the Disney film.