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[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 37 insightful - 2 fun37 insightful - 1 fun38 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

I admire that they didn't cave into the mob, but the mob still won. The witches may never have confessed but they were still thrown into the river.

LGBTQ community leader Kendall Stephens told PGN in a written statement: “The disbandment of PPP robbed the QTBIPOC community of an opportunity to be properly honored and represented in Pride Month festivities and disallowed a smooth transition of power and responsibility over Philly pride events to transpire.

Gosh, that's a telling acronym, isn't it?

[–]schomee 33 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 0 fun34 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"disallowed a smooth transition of power". What in god's name gave them the sense of entitlement that they were even entitled to this "power grab". They dont even try to do it quietly lol

[–][deleted] 25 insightful - 9 fun25 insightful - 8 fun26 insightful - 9 fun -  (1 child)

QTBIPOC

I like it, the LGB is finally free!

[–]GayBoner 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yayyyy!!!!!!

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void[S] 27 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

lmao, I was sharing this article with our other mods while SaidIt was down, and I shit you not ... that quote was the one that stuck out to me too.

Selfish little whiny asshole, "LGB robbed us of our chance to completely colonize their events, how dare they!"

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Articles like this should be the canary in the coalmine and should peak the fuck out of LGB people.

Philly Pride Presents had recently been under intense scrutiny, starting with backlash from a June 10 Facebook post about the history of the Stonewall Riots which contained language including “those dressed as women,"

Seriously, imagine generating backlash over a statement like "drag queens are men, usually gay men, who dress and perform as women". This is an accurate statement. But because the trans community insists on the lie that Stonewall was started by someone black and trans as a way of crafting a false hero for people to have to worship, truth is being labelled as bigotry. It's insane.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 15 insightful - 7 fun15 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

How are they supposed to be properly centered now?!

[–]Femaleisnthateful 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"A smooth transition of power and responsibility"

Shudder

[–]chazzstrong 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

LGBTQ community leader Kendall Stephens told PGN in a written statement: “The disbandment of PPP robbed the QTBIPOC community of an opportunity to be properly honored and represented in Pride Month festivities and disallowed a smooth transition of power and responsibility over Philly pride events to transpire.

I just honestly hate these people so fucking much...

[–]Dromedary 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Me too. "LGBTQ community leader Kendall Stephens .." Fuuuuck you, Kendall. So sick of these unappointed petty dictators and attention fiends. Who elected this asshole? And there are thousands like him, just grifting and attacking LGBs for their own agenda. So sick of Pride, all the shitty bickering and power plays and pushiness and nastiness that are part of every Pride event. A bucket of fighting crabs, fuck them all.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What do Black and Brown people have to do with Pride month anyways... There are homophobic people of color 🙄

[–]usehername 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

QTBIPOC

cutie bi pock

[–]Uranian 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am so using that!

[–]usehername 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That's actually how it's meant to be pronounced lmfao.

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void[S] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

BONUS MATERIAL

[–]hufflepuff-poet 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Telling the truth about gay history is now something we have to apologize for?

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, we have to apologize for referring to males accurately as males, so I guess it's typical of them at this point. Objective reality is their sworn enemy.

[–]schomee 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

im guessing this is the same pride committee filled with normal sane people who had to deal with the pride organizers that made national news because of the "whites pay money and black LGBTQRS people dont" venues they tried to set up.

And if anyone is wondering, that brown streak of shit smeared against the rainbow pride flag was the creation of an activist from philadelphia. So thats the environment this drama comes from.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

“You think about what Pride has become in Philadelphia for instance – the streets are being flooded with alcohol or corporate sponsorships, and over-the-top performances,” Stephens wrote. “This is all a facade that is hiding a lot of pain that our community is still dealing with. While we party, some people can’t even afford to get into the events. While we’re partying and celebrating, there are people who are living at or under the poverty line, who are suffering with all sorts of inequities in every key area of our lives. That’s a problem, and we’re not addressing that in a way that I and other people are deeming appropriate.”

Another thing to add to the pile of things we as gay people in a lgb rights movement have to fix, poverty.

[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Speaking for a left-leaning POV (won't say im a complete leftist, definitely not the intersectional kind) I have noticed that the LGBTQ+ movement attracts upper class more than working class. I have noticed that LGBT+ communities are usually very bourgeois. People who complain about "neoliberalism" are actual idpol obsessed neolibs cosplaying as leftists

[–]millicentfawcett 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You might find this interesting. It happened a few years ago in the UK but highlights what you are observing. It's too long to fully quote but I've picked out some relevant bits.

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/03/23/leftist-women-uk-refuse-accept-labours-attempts-silence-critiques-gender-identity/

Lucy Mcdonagh grew up working class, raised by a single mother. Her life as a young woman was marked by addiction, abuse, poverty, and mental health issues. She managed to escape a relationship with an extremely violent man at 32-years-old, after being partnered with him for 10 years. “My experience of being a working class woman and the level of trauma carried by many working class people has been my driving force since I was young,” Mcdonagh told me.

“All I have ever wanted to do is to try and empower working class people into supporting ourselves and, in doing so, empower our community. Being working class isn’t just about poverty. It’s about resilience and an unspoken understanding of violence. We don’t talk about our struggles because that places us at greater harm.”

That reality is suddenly of great interest to those who wish to coopt (or “parasitize,” if you will…) the struggles of oppressed groups as a means to gain social, cultural, or political leverage.

Mcdonagh had been forced to close the holistic wellness centre she was running in Deptford after leaving her then-partner, due to the trauma and subsequent breakdown she experienced during the police process. Once back on her feet, Mcdonagh co-founded The Deptford People Project, which not only feeds people, but, in her words, “created a family for those who were ostracized from the community.”

“We eat together, we played music, laughed and talked… We were not offering a service, we were offering an opportunity to become part of a community again. There was no ‘helping the poor’ — we are all poor and ran the project together. It was amazing.”

Not long after this project took off, Deptford was gentrified, and working class people like Mcdonagh were no longer welcome. “Working class people can be quite scary to white middle class people not from the area,” she explained.

“We shout and swear and take the mick out of [tease] each other. We speak a different language. One that is often mistaken for aggression. We’re not [politically correct] because most of us have never really believed that politics is anything more then a rich man’s game to get richer. But we’re not unintelligent — we’re just not academic.”

Gentrification brought a sudden increase in “very posh, white, ‘social justice’ groups and movements.” Now, the local groups who claimed to support the most marginalized seemed, to Mcdonagh, to be little more than “a social gathering for privileged students, using the community as a trendy trademark.”

“They used weird pronouns and called themselves ‘they,'” Mcdonagh said. She didn’t think this “rich kid’s trend” would affect her work so didn’t concern herself too much. “We were too busy trying to keep people fed, off the street, and out of prison.”

Though purporting to support the oppressed, Mcdonagh felt these students had no concept of or empathy toward the real experiences of actual marginalized women. “In reality [they] were supporting themselves via a complex new ideology and language that only they speak,” she said.

Mcdonagh was similarly nonplussed after meeting with a new domestic violence organization, also run mainly by young middle class students. The language this group used struck Mcdonagh as nonsensical and unhelpful to women actually suffering due to male violence. “The list of trigger warnings and safe space policies included a whole load of new gender terms that I had never heard of.” She adds, “I don’t know what a safe space is but I’d like to know where there is one for working class people in our area.”

In particular, all the focus on “gender identity” confused her. “Why were all the most publicized [social justice organizations]… suddenly centering their [work] on a group of people I’ve never come into contact with?”

At this point, Mcdonagh discovered the proposed changes to the GRA. She had some close friends who were “transsexual,” so understood how the GRC worked. She told me:

“I had never been concerned about a trans person who had medically transitioned entering a women-only space. To my knowledge it wasn’t a big thing. Only about 5000 people have a GRC in the UK. So you can imagine that doesn’t really cause any major issues.”

But during a discussion with Goldsmiths students about a community housing project, things blew up. Mcdonagh was verbally attacked by students after rejecting the new language being imposed on her community, called a “white cis woman,” then a “bitch and a “cunt.” A young male student tagged her in a post online arguing that the Women’s March should not allow women to focus on “the vagina” as it was “transphobic.” When Mcdonagh asked how he was defining “woman,” the man responded, “Anyone who says they are.”

This is when, she says, it all fell into place. “That’s what ‘self-identify’ means: anyone can say they are anyone… So, rich, privileged people can claim to be marginalized.” Beyond that, she asks, “How can we keep working class women safe if anyone can be a women legally?”

Mcdonagh became more troubled when “a middle class teenage boy identifying as women [was] given a woman’s officer position in the Labour Party” and when she observed a woman she knew suspended from the party for “refusing to say that a male person with a penis is a woman.”

She tells me there is “a very real lack of understanding about female victims of abuse, their need for sex-segregated spaces, and their need to be protected from predatory men.” But it has become impossible to debate or even discuss these issues. “Suddenly (mainly) white middle class students were shouting down and abusing working class women for expressing concern,” she says. “These people were bullying real victims into [submitting to] their ideology — women who have spent their lives being forced to accept situations they don’t want.”

Mcdonagh says she doesn’t believe that “a rich white boy” can “understand the needs of a working class ex-care system woman, raped and abused for decades by many different men — a woman living in a world that won’t ever feel safe again and who is bringing up children in a community that is suffering [due to] poverty, abuse, and trauma.”

“I couldn’t sit back a watch this final episode of ‘Gentrification Deptford’ invade the only thing that working class women have left: their experience.”

Mcdonagh and her group were concerned about how the proposed changes might affect services for women like her and those she worked with. Yet the questions they have are not being answered. They worry about how they will be able protect the women they work with from males who need only self-identify as female in order to access women’s spaces and about whether or not a “small, unfunded, grassroots organization [will be able to] challenge the law for the greater good if needed.” They also want to know whether challenging such a law could jeopardize their access to funding in future.

“Working class women know the lengths that abusers will go to get access to their victims,” she said. “We know this because we have lived it.”

“I fear that just the possibility that a male-bodied person [whether a client or staff member] could access a women-only service would be enough for, for example, our Muslim women’s community to avoid those spaces,” Mcdonagh says. “We are still trying to access hard to reach women and this would definitely make it more difficult.”

While she doesn’t believe “trans people” are inherently a threat, Mcdonagh believes very strongly that victims of male violence need women-only services and that women should be prioritized in terms of staffing these kinds of services as well. “We have already seen that trans-identifying males tend to apply for women-only positions and job vacancies as a way of reinforcing their gender identity,” she says.

“The first thing Lily Madigan did upon receiving their GRC was to apply to volunteer for women’s refuge. This is a white, middle class, 20-year-old male (who has not medically transitioned), who took their school to court to be able to wear a skirt. Lily wasn’t applying to volunteer because they felt they had something to offer victims of domestic violence. Lily was using women’s refuge to validate their identity and enforce transgender rights regardless of the effect on female victims.”

“When we are being verbally abused and called fascists because we are concerned about the effects of policy change on marginalized people, it is a direct attack on working class women and grass roots organizations.”

It’s bad enough that women are being fired, ostracized, bullied, and threatened for trying to speak about an issue that affects their lives, rights, spaces, and movements in so many ways. That it is largely young, white, middle and upper class individuals, bullying marginalized women, who have worked in these movements for decades, makes the situation all the more shocking and hypocritical.

Mcdonagh says:

“I want to tell those people who have gentrified our whole existence that our safe spaces are not for sale. That our experience is not for them to redefine. I want to let those people know that they are complicit in the victimization of already victimized people. Mostly, I want to start a conversation about social privilege and how the trans political and social movement is driven through [academia] and is suppressing the rights of working class women.”

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hey thank you for sharing this, it was a very poignant read. I completely agree. A lot of "leftists" have working-class fetish.

That reality is suddenly of great interest to those who wish to coopt (or “parasitize,” if you will…) the struggles of oppressed groups as a means to gain social, cultural, or political leverage.

^ This. TRAs do this a lot and it is infuriating.

[–]millicentfawcett 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. Glad it was helpful. I realised after posting it was a lot of text to wade through but the Deptford Project and what went on there is a crystal clear example of fetishising the working class whilst also being disdainful and dismissive of them.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is extremely accurate but the ideology also attracts poor people and degenerate weirdos who want leftist politics as a handout because they can't figure out how to participate in society. They use the label of leftism but push far right hierarchy based on made up genders.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is also very true and well-put and it totally summarizes the two groups I’ve seen at the helm of this.

The “non-privileged” people who get platformed are the swindlers with little else to offer who use the opportunity to scam people, and very poorly represent their communities.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's surprisingly synergistic how well liberalism meshes with these types of faux leftists. I think they are largely the same people it's just a difference of wealth and social status. The rich ones just generate a framework of tokenism to exploit workers and get away with it by putting up BLM and trans flags and the poor ones run into the framework to accept the social clout granted by that liberal class.

Meanwhile the working class is pushed down as their wealth is extracted towards the rich. Anyone who speaks up is accused of being a racist or transphobe... And unfortunately the conservative-right is also fanning that culture war flame. This causes actual racists and bigots to be elevated and thrown in with populists so everything gets dismissed at once.

[–]slushpilot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

u/firemonke8 brought up the word "bourgeois" and that's exactly the right way to frame this. It's derived from marxism, whether intentionally through academic theories, or purely by playing on social group dynamics:

This is a process that hijacks individual empathy and uses it to discriminate and scapegoat others, in the service of the "oppressed". You just need to continuously redefine who is oppressed, and use that to build "allyship". You think Lenin himself was oppressed? No way! But it worked to get himself and his thug buddies in power, didn't it!

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think we need to start profiling the individuals and their organizations that are behind hostile takeover actions like this. This is likely not their first rodeo and certainly not their last. By this I mean, looking into their history and any disparities between how they hold themselves out, what they say their goals are, who they are, and what they’ve done. The kind of stuff that Graham Linehan has been featuring on his substack. I bet there are a lot of skeletons in these entitled opportunists’ closets.

And I note that they almost never want to create their own infrastructure because they know if people had options, no one would choose to support them, so they seek to shut down or hijack and repurpose the organizations that are already in place and launch cancel campaigns against those who built them and have contributed so much to the community. It would also be a nice use of this space to feature some of our research on them here.

[–]BEB 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There was a 90s-era interview of trans activist(s?) in the New York Times in which trans activists admitted to targeting gay organizations to hijack and use (my words, not the interviewees) for trans' goals.

I've posted the interview on here before and will see if I can find it again.

Bottom line: trans activists deliberately Trojan Horsed gays and gay organizations, while using gays as sword and shield.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would like to see that for sure although I will say the kind of hostile takeover here in this story is of a very specific nature and following a pattern happening in a lot of places in the the U.S. right now.

Here it’s largely led by black queer/non-binary types (often aligned with or invoking so-called trans women of color, aka their fellow gay black men) and using race and adjacent issues to push out long-standing, older, white community leaders from the institutions they have led and built. So the hostile takeovers look very different here than in the UK where race does not appear to be a driving issue.
So it’s the live-action marrying of BLM and TWAW by power-seeking opportunists who never seem to have a vision for what they want to create, just what they seek to destroy or become theirs. I can get behind some aspects of some of their messages but I do not support the overall picture, and certainly not the means.

They are enabled by the wealthy white non-binary queer types including LGBs who don’t seem to realize they are the exact people being complained about. I’ve definitely noticed the pattern that the white “queers” who obsessively support this are furthest from the working class and the struggles being raised. They project their guilt and ignorance on others and contribute to their being no dialogue, only demands.

I see people starting to notice and who are whispering about needing to build new institutions once the hijacked orgs fail to carry out their original purpose but a lot of people are still in hiding and “we can’t say this out loud mode.” The seeds are being planted though. People are slowly looking at each other to see their reactions and testing the waters.

[–]fuck_reddit 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They got exactly what they wanted and they still complain.

[–]Uranian 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Pride is meaningless these days anyway. Let the cutiebipocks have their bollocks parade of twattitude while the LGB peeps just get on with having a good time elsewhere.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

LGBTQ community leader Kendall Stephens

Who is this? Did this person just appoint themself a "LGBTQ community leader" for no reason?

In case anyone else was curious, I did a quick search. Kendall Stephens is a self-identified transwoman and a student at Temple University who reported having been assaulted at home and called transphobic slurs.

And this article says that Kendall does "transgender advocacy work" at "William Way LGBTQ Community Center" and is a "trans support group facilitator."

No conflict of interest there, I'm sure.

the QTBIPOC community

YES. PLEASE call yourselves that. Maybe if this term picks up steam, we can finally distance the LGB from the TQ+.