HomophobiaThe new homophobia, same as the old homophobia. But worse.

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[–]julesburm1891 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

…the overwhelming majority of humanity is straight. People are going to assume other people are straight unless they’re told otherwise. So, yeah, LGB do have to come out.

[–][deleted] 20 insightful - 5 fun20 insightful - 4 fun21 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Coming out is for people who are same-sex attracted. Not for assholes who think they're special because they don't like casual sex.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 20 insightful - 5 fun20 insightful - 4 fun21 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

The more gay people came out, so the thinking went, the more normalised gayness would become. However we cannot escape the fact that, generally, it is cis gay identities and not the vast spectrum of queer identities which have been given the biggest platform.

Wow how about that, homosexuals in a homosexual movement made coming out be about homo sexuality

[–]fuck_reddit 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also completely ignored the fact that homosexuality is more common so duh it’ll dominate the public’s perception of “coming out”

[–]schomee 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

It's interesting how all these hyper aggressive ideas that bisexuals have are never pushed against heterosexuals. The writer is a bisexual and thinks this is about her personal dating life and drama (a particular user here has those same beliefs) and in no way tied to actual, legitimate human rights.

She quotes a professor who i looked up (who happens to be a huge clown..and also a bisexual) who claims coming out is wrong because it heavily relies on and has the heritage of "homosexuals" coming out and homosexuality doesnt really exist because it historically never existed as a category (it's a social construct). And the concept of coming out doesnt serve bisexuals and the 300 other letters within the community because it's not about them and they're just sO FluId so "coming out" would mean they were lying all along!

Everything she says is correct if you see gays/lesbians and their identities and their communities as nothing more than a dating/sex scene that emerged for the benefit of others (we all know a particular user here that does believes this) instead of a 600 year struggle. Her vapid analysis doesnt even begin to scratch the surface of who and what gays/lesbians are. Yes... red is a social construct. Doesnt mean atoms dont reflect certain frequencies of light.

Homosexuals are a social construct but we can practice her ideas and go back to the utopia when everyone was "fluid"..which was medieval times. Homosexuality was an act and heterosexuality was a union. Homosexuality was grouped with beastiality, rape, domination, pedophilia and heterosexuality was an act you did before your god and empire. And she is correct, plenty of people trashed homosexuality as an act because of how their minds worked. I think we've all met them before. Hmmmm, i wonder what name we would give them today for their depraved sex acts: "im a bisexual but i can have no romantic or emotional bonds with the same sex. I love the opposite sex and want to start a family with them and pour all my love into this relationship but sometimes i like indulging in my fetish for the same sex and im valid!". And people wonder why homosexuality got such a bad reputation in those days and christians are convinced gays/lesbians are incapable of emotional bonds. So yes, we were all "blended" as a community and look where it got us. If we dont separate ourselves from these people, they'll end up ruining everything we worked for.

Gay/Lesbian love builds our community, not sex. And if you dont think people like this are dangerous, look up the bisexual professor's essays on why gays/lesbians dont need equal marriage rights.

And the comments are laughable as well. "This professor is sooo right! im a woman married to a man and sometimes i feel fluid so coming out of the closet feels like i was deceiving people but i didnt know i was bi until i was 30!". OK? So what? People like her dont build or create or sacrifice. It's the people who had to "come out" that built the spaces she feels should accommodate her.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

Christ it's you again. Do you not find this schtick exhausting?

[–]schomee 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

go ahead and explain to everyone here what you disagree with. the "homosexuality is a social construct and im a bisexual woman and everyone is fluid" critique i gave? The fact that i looked up the professor she quoted who, when gays and lesbians were at their most vulnerable trying to justify their humanity and have their dignity recognized as equals...she was busy writing "gays and lesbians dont need marriage!". go ahead and explain yourself.

[–]Destresse🇨🇵 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Oh man, I actually thought about her arguments until she, without realizing I suppose, gave herself away.

The point is this: coming out means your identity is fixed. And when you can't decide whether you're this or that label today, and you come out as 10 different things in the span of a year, it's embarrassing. So the entire concept of coming out, of fixed identity, of homosexuality, is wrong. She wrote this entire article to justify not being embarrassed 😳🤣

[–]hufflepuff-poet 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

However we cannot escape the fact that, generally, it is cis gay identities and not the vast spectrum of queer identities which have been given the biggest platform. "Coming out as a singular process," writes Suzanna, "depended on the establishment of a gay identity and a gay movement to make it happen." In other words, for the coming out narrative to be successful, you need the category of 'the homosexual' – and while we may imagine that to have always existed, it’s very much a 20th century phenomenon. As Suzanna writes: "As many historians and theorists have convincingly argued, the homosexual as a distinct category, a demarcated identity (rather than, say, a set of possible sexual acts or preferences) is a very modern invention, as is the heterosexual."

The narrowness of the concept of coming out and the language we use to describe it means it is no longer politically useful or reflective of the spectrum of identities that make up the LGBTQIAA+ community

Gay people have to "come out" if we want to live our lives openly and date or have sex or find a long-term partner! As a lesbian, if I stay closeted, I either have to hide my girlfriend and our relationship or I have to stay single, same for gay men. Because straight is the default in society. Nothing changes if you "stay in the closet" as a demisexual greyace pansexual transfemme, to your relationships (family, friends, coworkers, community), dating or sex life. You just show the world your raging narcissism.

Coming out and Pride are for same-sex attracted people! Lesbians, gays and bisexuals. Not straight people lacking personalities.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the whole article is just a semantics game pretending to be some high minded new concept of sharing info about yourself... don't come out! Invite the word IIIINNNNNNNNN!!!!

[–]fuck_reddit 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

She’s right. “Homosexual” is a distinctly 20th century category. Before that, we were called “sodomites” and “404 error, the page you are looking for does not exist”

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

God I need to take a fucking break from the internet for today.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"The narrowness of the concept of coming out and the language we use to describe it means it is no longer politically useful or reflective of the spectrum of identities that make up the LGBTQIAA+ community."

"means it is no longer politically useful"

At least they admit they just see the experiences of gay men and lesbians as political tools. So validating uwu.

Also, how the fuck would a process of "inviting in" work? That just sounds like narcissism to me.

[–]usehername 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I developed an eye twitch while reading this article. Let's all comment and tell her what a buffoon she is.

[–]our_team_is_winning 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There’s a dominant cultural vision of what a coming out story looks like: a young person (most likely a cis white gay man) sits their parents down and tearfully tells them they are gay/queer.

Right off the bat, I know it's Woke BS. "cis white" --- let the struggle session begin.

However we cannot escape the fact that, generally, it is cis gay identities and not the vast spectrum of queer identities which have been given the biggest platform.

That sums up the whole thing. They demand the biggest platform. How dare the gay movement be about gay people!

[–]fuck_reddit 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Coming out IS necessary to be lesbian gay and bisexual. We don’t have the luxury of our being existing as artifacts of language.

[–]Rage-Xion 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"There’s a dominant cultural vision of what a coming out story looks like: a young person (most likely a cis white gay man)"

Ughhh... this is already dreadful to read.

[–]Retardation_station 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Coming out of the closet is kinda passé, no?