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[–]SerpensInferna 29 insightful - 3 fun29 insightful - 2 fun30 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

"without even telling them they are trans"

...you don't have to tell us. We can tell. We can almost always tell.

[–]usehername 23 insightful - 5 fun23 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 5 fun -  (10 children)

Back when I was more of a TRA, I served (food service) a man who was clearly a "transwoman" (dressed in women's clothes, lumpy fake titties), so I called him "ma'am" to be polite because I'd read that doing that makes a trans person's day (cringe). He got a boner and started telling me about how soft his new shampoo made his hair. I wish I made that up lol. I think he thought he had "tricked me" into believing he was actually a woman instead of just being polite and it must've been a huge turn-on for him. This was back before I knew about AGP.

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Oh god, he was wearing tight enough clothing that the boner was visible? Disgusting.

Autogynephilia in public is inherently rapey. No trans activist will ever be able to convince me otherwise. They're basically demanding all people, lesbian women in particular, essentially be unwitting sexual tools for them. Fucking gross.

[–]usehername 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Oh god, he was wearing tight enough clothing that the boner was visible?

Jeggings :X

Autogynephilia in public is inherently rapey. No trans activist will ever be able to convince me otherwise. They're basically demanding all people, lesbian women in particular, essentially be unwitting sexual tools for them. Fucking gross.

100% agree. Subjecting people to your kink without their consent is rapey as hell and there's no defense for it. It should legally be considered sexual harassment.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

my god I thought you meant a metaphorical boner, but he got a real one?

[–]usehername 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It was real :X

[–]our_team_is_winning 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It should legally be considered sexual harassment.

Why are there so few of us saying this? Why? Why instead are governments passing law after law to ALLOW AGP fetish in all women's spaces, even the spaces of underage girls?

In the USA, the media and govt won't shut up about alleged "white supremacy" but why won't they acknowledge MALE SEXUAL FETISH SUPREMACY?

Like having porn in my face all the time wasn't bad enough. Now I'm supposed to endure men acting out sexual fetishes in public and PARTICIPATE?

NO. When are we all going to say a collective NO?

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I feel dirty asking this (so please don’t respond if it makes you uncomfortable) but at the time you noticed that sexual reaction from the TW, did that change how you looked at trans women at all? Or how did your mind process that?

I only ask bc I think I may have just turned a corner in peaking my lesbian “non-binary” friend who is otherwise a pretty huge TRA. And she was telling me the other day as I sat there horrified about the times she tried to be “inclusive” of and welcoming toward a a colleague who had sent a message to the entire company announcing he was coming out as trans (which I’ve actually been able to find bc for some reason he wanted it on the public record). Anyway she said that he always took their conversations to highly sexualized inappropriate places and was constantly talking about his penis and sexual activity he was engaged in. She said it takes a lot for her to be uncomfortable and this made her uncomfortable. I was internally screaming.

It’s just that she then went on to work on briefing to get men like him into women’s bathrooms and locker rooms. I was floored by the cognitive dissonance. But then everything we talked about after that she heard me out on a number of points. I didn’t raise AGP because I think she would have shut down at that point because it sounds to crazy to be true.

[–]usehername 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

at the time you noticed that sexual reaction from the TW, did that change how you looked at trans women at all?

It was jarring, in order to mask the AGP, they have a myth going around that men get boners from "gender euphoria". They have a talking point for everything. I was a young teen (I think 14?) and had never had sex before, and didn't have many male friends at the time, so I believed it could be possible for a man to be so happy he just got a boner. I had heard of "rage boners" before, so I guess I just assumed men were freaks who could get a boner with any emotion if it was strong enough...

So yeah, I was able to kind of hand-wave it because of the "gender euphoria boner" myth, but it definitely planted a seed. All my coworkers were laughing their asses off in the back after he left, but I felt like I couldn't laugh or acknowledge that there was anything wrong with it or I would be transphobic.

Like I said, I was a young teen, so very susceptible to propaganda. I used to follow tons of propaganda accounts on Instagram, which is where I heard all these myths and why I'm familiar with literally every talking point. TRA rhetoric appeared to me to be a widely-accepted consensus, which it was a little, but only by people who parroted the talking points and never employed much critical thinking on the subject. However, the majority of people don't do that. They just smile and nod because they're afraid of looking transphobic, or avoid the subject at all costs. Of course, I didn't understand the way social media algorithms worked at the time. It was only when I visited r/detrans and read their stories that I realized it was all a sham. That lead me to r/GenderCritical and r/LGBDropTheT where I read about AGP and I instantly thought of that event. Before that, I, like many others, thought HSTSs made up the vast majority of the trans community.

she then went on to work on briefing to get men like him into women’s bathrooms and locker rooms. I was floored by the cognitive dissonance.

I've always been very liberal, even unironically calling myself an SJW at one point (cringe I know have mercy I was a young teen). I was just 100% convinced it was a civil rights issue exactly like the gay and black civil rights movements. They are very effective with their propaganda and censorship; I had literally never seen anything to the contrary.

everything we talked about after that she heard me out on a number of points.

What points were those? TRAs can be hard to crack.

I didn’t raise AGP because I think she would have shut down at that point because it sounds to crazy to be true.

Even my mother, who is far from TRA and has competed athletically against trans-identified males (so she understands why it's an issue), balked at this suggestion. I explained to her the role of "sissy hypno" porn, and the way orgasm is a very powerful conditioner because of the fact that humans need to reproduce to survive, though if your friend is a TRA, she's probably staunchly pro-porn and that wouldn't work. You could try sending her this research on the negative effects of porn on the brain in order to ease her into that one: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/research/

Another statistic that works for explaining AGP is the fact that the vast majority of trans-identified males keep their penises https://fairplayforwomen.com/penis/

If you brought up AGP, she would likely hit you with these talking points:

  1. AGP isn't real; it's a transphobic myth. Women also think of themselves as women when fantasizing about sex.

Response: AGP doesn't mean a person thinks of themselves as a women during sexual fantasies. Someone who is an AGP is aroused by the thought of himself as a woman. A normal, healthy woman is not aroused by to herself or her feminine characteristics. A healthy person is attracted to other people.

This is an excellent video of an AGP explaining it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_SZfRpTO1Q

  1. All trans women aren't perverts. They said that all gay men were perverts too. The perverts are just bad apples/not real trans women.

Response: All trans women aren't perverts, but the fact is, current laws allow male perverts to access vulnerable women, whether you consider them to be "true trans women" or not. Also, it is estimated that around 80% of trans women are autogynephilic.

https://www.autogynephilia.life/home

Our reddit subs are gone, but I encourage you to send her to r/detrans and read their stories. It's good for peaking because a lot of the people there aren't anti-transition, so she won't be scared off, but after reading enough stories, it becomes obvious that transition isn't a permanent solution to their problems. Dysphoria often worsens after transition. It's better to accept yourself as you are.

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And the problem is that AGPs have successfully convinced he the public that it's flimsy strawman arguments that are why sane people want to raise questions about what kind of access (bathrooms, changing rooms, etc) are appropriate. It's not because "OOOOOO TRANS PEOPLE ARE SCARY". We know the possibility of someone actually dysphoric who's gone through transition physically assaulting someone in a bathroom is statistically low. The problem is that autogynephiles feel entitled to force women in particular to provide them with access to their spaces and essentially perform validation. It's essentially a sex act for an AGP, and that means you're making everyone in those spaces an unwitting participant. Of course that's not acceptable!

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He got a boner

I think he thought he had "tricked me" into believing he was actually a woman instead of just being polite and it must've been a huge turn-on for him.

Eww..

[–]ImNOTRobertPaulson 19 insightful - 10 fun19 insightful - 9 fun20 insightful - 10 fun -  (1 child)

This reads like the same as the employee who says " You can't fire me! I quit!" Trying to pretend they had the power in the decision.

I'm SO sure that someone who identifies as superstraight would be heartbroken if a trans person turned them down... (/s if needed)

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Too bad they don't all do this and preempt the need to reject them..

[–]Criticallacitirc 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That chart is insane. What is wrong with these people? These poor people, thinking they have to understand where they sit on all these toggles rather than just going out in the world to meet , date, have sex with people.

Also " gender intensity " is a new one?

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Several of these measures are essentially moods. The whole point of dating is to get together with another person and see if you're compatible. You have to talk to each other. If you're meeting a stranger for anonymous sex you don't need this much detail, even though that seems like a situation this type of questionnaire would be better suited to.

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

So I’m not allowed to be hella bi?

Also wtf is “gender intensity”?

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There is the assumption built into the scale that bisexuals (who are identical to pansexuals????) are attracted to trans people. Thanks, superstraights!

I think gender intensity might be how stereotyped your gendered behavior is.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

FYI there is also supergay, superlesbian and superbi (sLGBS) because everyone is fed up with the genderists bullshit.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I'm aware, I just don't like that little scale.

You can't beg out of attraction to trans people ("I literally can't be attracted to you, I'm superstraight") and then leave the bis hanging with no excuse.

Yes, it's petty and dumb but, dammit, so am I.

[–]usehername 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can't beg out of attraction to trans people ("I literally can't be attracted to you, I'm superstraight") and then leave the bis hanging with no excuse.

It's not LG's job to make up an excuse for you. They're just describing their own orientations. The fact is, LG are literally incapable of being attracted to the opposite sex, while for bi people, it's just a/n (understandably very common) preference. You don't need an excuse; you have the right to say no.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Sexual orientation and even preferences don't need an excuse. No is no and it's a completely valid response when it comes to dating and sex. It does not need reason or an "excuse". Anything other is coercion and rape culture.

But at least you have self-knowledge.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'll not hold my breath for the superstraights to bravely stand up and say "No means no, I could theoretically be attracted to you but I am not." They'll make that someone else's problem while acting like cowards.

Sic the psychotic rapists on the bis, implying all the way that we can't tell them no. That actually puts vulnerable young women in danger (possibly guys too, it happens,) since their "community" is offering them up as bait to distract predators.

Thanks for the compliment!

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You are superbi, and you are valid.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is so needlessly complicated. You have your sex (male or female) and your sexual orientation (heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual). How much do you want a relationship or how much do you want sex are both dependent on your mood.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Are trans people suggesting this? This is such a complicated scale it seems satirical.

Also, the Kinsey scale is not an accurate representation of how bisexual attraction operates. It's better as a evaluation of behavior over time.

Edit: my opinion. I am not an Antropologist.

[–]usehername 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the Kinsey scale is not an accurate representation of how bisexual attraction operates. It's better as a evaluation of behavior over time.

I disagree. Please elaborate.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If you want Kinsey, but with a temporal element, you want Klein. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_Sexual_Orientation_Grid

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

See, that takes social circumstances, behavior, and community identification into consideration. Much better.

[–]fuck_reddit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“Gender intensity” as I’ve said before: fuck off.