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[–]ThiccDropkickGay 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Tbh after feminist women spent years telling us that nobody was more qualified than them to speak about male behaviour and men's issues, it's funny to see a bit of the reverse.

But that's just my cynical asshole side coming out. This is bad

[–]supersmokio6420 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I do think that's a big part of why there seems to be so few men speaking on this topic. We've had close to 10 years of the prevailing message being that men should shut up and listen, they don't get to have an opinion, that disagreement is 'mansplaining'.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I will break with a lot of the other women in here and say that I think this does demotivate a lot of men but also in my experience it’s easier to convince men (rather than women) that there’s something rotten in the state of gender identity but it’s much harder to convince them to care and that it’s not merely a fringe issue, other than maybe as a free speech concern. And while they can recognize the conflict with free speech, they also feel like they have less need to speak about it because they’re not seeing the frequent incursion into their lives or the language they are expected to use to describe themselves and their own lives. So you can see how that also contributes to a sense of them thinking women are blowing this out of proportion.

So while I find more gay men than gay women are able to see the trans nonsense for what it is, they also have more of an ability to opt out of it (though increasingly less so).

On the woman side it’s like a lot of us are living in the dark in isolation worried about how this will affect our friendships and ability to find partners. And the rest of gay women don’t even realize the amount of us living in fear and they don’t know because we’re afraid to tell them because we’re not sure if they will treat us like an enemy or not, so it’s easier for them to dismiss that this is happening.