Legal Rights / PoliticsHungary's parliament passes anti-LGBT law ahead of 2022 election

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[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Don’t drop the T and this is what will happen.

But I’m going to be a small bit fair towards the T and acknowledge that we have our own problems. Drag queen story hour, degeneracy at pride parades, child drag queens and the fact that gay rights organisations have had ties to far-left ideologies are all factors in why many people in countries like Hungary, Poland and Russia are increasingly seeing our "community" as a threat. Nevertheless, dropping the T would still come a long way for our movement.

Also, just an FYI, but I’ started watching South Park when I was 11, even though it is rated 18 in my country. I wasn’t allowed to play 18+ games like Grand Theft Auto until I was 16, but when my older brother got Grand Theft Auto for his 16th birthday my parents realised it wasn’t so bad, but decided that I still had to wait until I was 16 before I could get my own game just to be fair to my brother. Kids in Hungary are still going to watching shows with gay characters from the age of 10 or even 8, they just can’t watch these shows on Cartoon Network or Nickelodeon. And the law can’t stop parents from explaining to their kids why their uncle lives with another man. But I just don’t get how the presence of a gay character in a tv program is going to corrupt a 16 year old or even a 13 year old. And what happens if a secondary school student gets found out at school that he’s gay? How are the teachers going to help him? Yes, you can teach a teenager how to stand up for himself and sign him up for martial arts classes, and teach him how to handle banter. But what if the teenager feels that society hates him for being gay? What is the school psychologist supposed to do? Would they still be allowed to assure the child that his orientation is just a part of him? Would the school still be allowed to tell the other students to give the gay teenager a break? Would the school still be allowed to make sure that the teenager is safe? Those are my main concerns. I’m all for banning propaganda aimed at teenagers to turn them woke, but some people realise that they are gay as young as 13, and I don’t want these kids to suffer.

On the other hand, I like that Hungary is now banning the discussion of sex changes in schools and children’s media. That is a law I can definitely get behind.

[–]JulienMayfair 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Gender ideology has not helped us at all.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It really hasn’t.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My problem in part with laws like this is that it appears that they're trying to simply deny reality, which has the domino effect of making kids ill equipped to deal with these topics.

Some of my fellow gay friends with very repressive families have become walking disasters because of this.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is my concern about this law. What happens if a thirteen year old boy discovers that he’s gay? No, what if he starts having feelings towards the same sex? He’s going to need answers because, due to the fact that he’s at the early stage of puberty, he cannot process these thoughts. Obviously, he will not be able to turn to a teacher for advice, but what about his parents. If his parents are homophobic, then he’d have to keep these feelings to himself until he’s 18 and legally old enough to do his own research on this. And what if his parents are just ignorant about homosexuality? How are they supposed to help him? Obviously they’re not going to buy their 13 year old son a book that is "adults only" unless they’re the kind of parents to let their son play Grand Theft Auto or watch South Park. That kid is stuck in arrested development until he’s 18, which can’t be good for him. Worst case scenario, the boy might turn to sites like Reddit or Tumblr and become a woke idiot as a result. What the Hungarian government has done is effectively swept this issue under the rug, whereas what they should have done instead is pass a law dictating how homosexuality could be discussed in secondary schools and in children’s media; that way gay teenagers can get the information they need and also be protected from neoliberal or woke indoctrination.

Plus, there’s the implication that the authorities see being gay in itself as being inappropriate for children, which is going to have a negative impact on gay children and their parents who trust the government and the authorities; the only gay kids and parents of gay kids who won’t suffer from this law are the type of people who oppose the current Hungarian government, or people who are like me who don’t trust governments and authorities at all. Let me tell you something: learning not to trust the government, the police, colleges, other public authorities and the political system has been psychologically freeing for me. I’d have no issues if I lived in Hungary as a result. But most people trust these authorities, they don’t see the corruption, or they see the government as the solution. Gay person with this mentality is unlikely to be truly happy if he lives in a country like Hungary. Especially if most of his family and community have this mentality.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is my concern about this law. What happens if a thirteen year old boy discovers that he’s gay? No, what if he starts having feelings towards the same sex?

He's going to repress it, that is, until the opotunity for him to express these sentiments arise, then he'll be unable to do in a healthy way. Then it's down the rabbit hole of drugs and unsafe sex.

This is always the case with gay men who taste a little bit of freedom after being subjectes to years of repression.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But I just don’t get how the presence of a gay character in a tv program is going to corrupt a 16 year old or even a 13 year old.

It doesn't. For political reasons, they always frame this issue as "Promoting Homosexuality". Because it makes acknowledging homosexuality and providing support for gay people sound more biased and less neutral than it actually is. So the minds of people who don't like homosexuals automatically jumps to "proactive corruption of the youth".

The reality is, no one can "corrupt" someone into becoming homosexual. These people see homosexuality as simply a rebellious action/behavior, rather than an orientation. They view heterosexuality as the default/resting position and the only real attraction. And anything else is just artificially and forcefully pulling away from everyone's natural inclination to behave straight. And the only way that can possibly be happening(in their mind) is that homosexuality is being actively promoted.

The conflation of gender identity and sexual orientation doesn't help. I went into the comment sections of one of the articles talking about this and there were all the typical arguments mixing the two up, with the predictable outcome of all them going absolutely nowhere. Sexual orientation is innate and cannot be learned. Gender Identity is socially conditioned and so can be taught and absorbed by impressionable youth. Conflate the two issues into the same bill(Hungary's own 'Christmas Tree Bill') and the whole matter about whether it harms kids settles into the gray area of being "debatable", where political parties argue for/against the bill focusing on different aspects and the matter at best remains in limbo, instead of it being mostly clear-cut with positive results from our perspective, which I think it would've been had there been 2 separate bills, one for each issue.

Drop the T.

[–][deleted] 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not just the T that is causing this. It's all the fetish shit that happens at Pride events as well that's causing problems. Pride is pretty actively detrimental to homosexuals in countries like Hungary at this point because it's just full of kink shit. The T is just adding even more shit to an already existing shit pile.

[–]millicentfawcett[S] 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Loads of articles about this but I went with one that wasn't behind a paywall.

Not a surprising move for Hungary and disappointing to have sexual orientation conflated again with gender identity.

Edited to add: Seems like Orban tacked this onto a bill outlawing pedophilia so it couldn't be challenged easily by opponents.

[–]MyLongestJourney 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeap,it is happening,they are dragging us down with them.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I note only the standard rainbow flag being wielded in pictures. None of the woke flags because there is no benefit for outsiders to identify in and hijack infrastructure.