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[–]Horror-SwordfishI don't get how flairs work 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This is exactly the problem with being "nonbinary." It's just, "it sucks being a woman, so if I just say I'm 'not a woman,' then all of my problems that are related to me being a woman go away." Instead of deciding that you're going to live your life however you want and not let anyone call you less of a woman because of it, you say, "What has gender ever done for me?" and toss your womanhood into the trash.

Same with nonbinary males and manhood. It's okay to eschew traditional gender roles and still consider yourself a man or a woman. Hell, I can spend one evening crocheting, the next day hiking, the next evening at a hockey game, and the following evening baking cookies for my friends, and I've never once thought, "Wow, I guess I must be neither man nor woman because I do things that are stereotypically associated with both genders!" I'm just a man who likes what I like and lives how I want to live and surrounds myself with people that care for and about me regardless of the things I do.

The other problem here is that you can't just "get rid of your womanhood" like that by proclaiming you're nonbinary, anyway. Those women in this post are still going to be perceived as women by the rest of the world and the rest of the world is going to act toward them like they are women. Just own your womanhood and own being a lesbian and throw up the middle finger to anyone that says women can't be this or that. It's so infuriating to see people getting caught up in this bullshit, and indoctrinating their small children into this bullshit as well.

[–]AugustiJade 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Exactly. I thought we were getting even closer to tearing down gender norms, and then this shit just reversed all of that.

[–]bopomofodojo 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm fully convinced this gender stuff is some sort of reaction (intentional, unintentional, conscious, unconscious, I don't know) to the gradual wearing away of gender norms in the 90's and 00's. I'm still trying to make heads or tails of the why, but it definitely seems like a societal crackdown on GNC, focusing instead of changing the "gender" part rather than the "roles" part. So instead of "men" and "women" who don't conform to their gender, we have "genderfluid" and others adhering (or, more precisely, not adhering) to strict gender roles. It's completely reactionary, disguised as "more progressive". CRT is the same vis-a-vis "colorblindness".

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This seems like it has a lot of merit to it.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're reinforcing gender stereotypes and thus creating a new culture where anyone who actually defies them anymore must not be a true man or woman. If you can cook dinner for your family, you're no longer allowed to be a man. If you have a career and earn more than your spouce, you're no longer allowed to be a woman. If you do both, you simply must be nonbinary!

And this is an insult to literally every woman and man in all of human history who worked to dismantle stereotypes and prove that women are capable of doing whatever a man can and that men are able to do whatever "womanly" things they like without being any less of a man. This nonbinary ideology is inherenlty sexist because its existence relies on the idea that a woman is inherenlty one way and a man is inherently another in far more than a genetic and reproductive sense

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Somebody call social services

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 13 insightful - 9 fun13 insightful - 8 fun14 insightful - 9 fun -  (1 child)

You should report them based on their font choice alone.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dammit, I used Choco cooky on my phone for years...

[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I still don't really understand what non-binary is. I get that it's "I don't like all of the gender roles/norms for my sex" but isn't that literally fucking everyone?

[–]Ladis_Wascheharuum 23 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

"Nonbinary" is literally just "Please don't stereotype me, stereotype them instead".

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's literally all it is, except you think you're special enough that slapping a meaningless label on yourself allows you to eschew those stereotypes.

If only women in hardcore Islamic countries realized they could just identify out of oppression! Oh, wait, they can't, because it doesn't fucking work that way when it's a sex-based oppression.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Shh, they know that but if you say it too loud they can't feel special anymore.

[–]Madsea 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Like honestly, are we all going crazy due to something in the water or plastic or something? How did we get so disconnected from reality? Don’t answer that… social media and phones, etc. What a mistake we’ve made.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Humans having evolved brains was the mistake

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This is a pretty obvious case of social conditioning. A child who isn't old enough to even know what sex is, let alone fully grasp the concept of gender identities, is being surrounded by genderspeak. Little shock that, in order to gain parental acceptance, they're adopting the mannerisms of their parents.

[–]AugustiJade 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I couldn't imagine how insufferable those parents are.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I like to imagine they sing nursery rhymes with gender neutral/gender special pronouns.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 10 insightful - 10 fun10 insightful - 9 fun11 insightful - 10 fun -  (1 child)

Three little ducks went out one day

Over the hill and far away

Birthing person duck said quack quack quack quack

But only two genderfluid little ducks came back.

[–]worried19 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's genius. Someone needs to make it into a meme.

[–]MatthewofHouseGraySuper straight ally :) 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That text font bothered me more than what I read.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This proves two things. First, the fact that grandma, a trusted and authoritative figure, presented a new idea and the child immediately tried to copy it proves that the child has no clue what he's talking about. This is just like religious indoctrination and is not a choice conciously made by the child. Second, the fact that the daughter wants to be nonbinary simply because "gender hasn't done anything for her" proves that nonbinary people just take a thing literally everyone in the first world does - ignoring "gender" while recognizing sex - and acting like they're special for it. Gender hasn't done anything for me, but I am a biological male and thus will use he/him/his pronouns and the men's restroom. I don't go around as a walking stereotype, in fact I often defy and detest stereotypes, but I am capable of nuance and so can reject the masculine stereotypes without rejecting manhood altogether.

They're so simpleminded and narcissistic that they think it is impossible for someone to identify with their sex without being a walking stereotype and also think that they're the only ones to figure out that they can differ from the stereotypes of their sex. They honestly think they're better than us because they figured out that being a housewife isn't something they want to do but then couldn't figure out that they could be a woman without being a housewife.