DiscussionWhy are Twitter and Reddit so out of touch with reality and popular opinion regarding statements of fact about transgender people?

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[–]chandra 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Devil's advocate, because we need to understand the Trans position instead of straw-manning it:

Merely mentioning sex in a discussion about trans people does actually undermine their gender identity: to them sex is (or should be) as socially relevant as whether you've had your tonsils removed, and bringing it up is nothing more than a way to separate trans women from actual women. Which, let's be honest, it is: we all know when we say that trans women are biologically male we're saying that their 'gender identity' doesn't mean shit and that their male sex is what matters most, that trans women are at most honorary women, but not women in any way that actually matters.

[–]soundsituationI myself was once a gay 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Fair point, to which I have two responses:

-If someone brings up sex apropos of nothing or even within a philosophical discussion, your point stands. But if we're talking about self-ID laws then I don't think it does, since women's-only spaces/sports weren't segregated on the basis on gender identity/femininity in the first place. They can't say that's invalidating without abandoning their claim that sex ≠ gender.

-More importantly, why should others be obligated to affirm their worldview? I don't owe queer theory my faith any more than I do Christianity or Islam. I can see why they're upset by this, but no one owes them assent. I don't believe what they believe and I don't have to. It's really quite totalitarian to demand otherwise.

(I don't mean to be combative, by the way. I really appreciate your comment because I agree that we need to address their best arguments.)

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Appreciate both the original comment and yours. It's important to make these logical connections between observations.