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[–]divingrightintowork 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Always so unselfaware they are - "You just got to get over your unexamined preferences about body parts."

[–]Virginia_Plain 17 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

Until someone wants bottom surgery, then everyone must stampede to their GoFundMe before they kill themselves.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

Also, trans people are allowed to have their sexual preferences, "because reasons, bigot!"

[–]Virginia_Plain 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

That's the most frustrating thing about all this. I think there is definitely room for trans people in society, but everything is cast in terms of people ceding ground on very personal boundaries. There are trans people I've met who are "t4t" and feel that they'd be best off with someone who understands their dysphoria. That is perfectly rational.

I'd like for a society where people can be open about things like transitioning and LGB identity, and for everyone involved to state their desires without fearing for their livelihood (or lives). But these sorts of demands are cruel, and do not give anyone (not even the trans person) an opportunity for a happy, fulfilling relationship.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t support this transgender stuff, but whatever. If a man wants to become a woman and look and act as such, it’s none of my business. But I am bothered that I am expected to support it, and that I’m expected to sleep with people with vaginas. And frankly, I do think that trans people would be happier if society was just ambivalent towards them and didn’t put them on a pedestal.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think there is definitely room for trans people in society, but everything is cast in terms of people ceding ground on very personal boundaries. There are trans people I've met who are "t4t" and feel that they'd be best off with someone who understands their dysphoria. That is perfectly rational.

The problem I have, though, is that the very nature of the trans mindset-- transgenderism as a concept in itself-- seems to require that we cede ground on very personal boundaries. Even if we're talking trans people who are t4t. Because while they won't be pressuring the rest of us to date them (thankfully), I assume they'll still want everyone to act as though we can't perceive their sex, and agree that "gender" overrides it. Meaning that we don't have the right to our own perceptions or beliefs. Which seems like ceding a lot of ground right there.

So, yes, there's room in society for trans people, if they don't expect others to pretend they're something which they clearly are not. But otherwise, it seems to me that there isn't. And, moreover, can't be.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

*because dysphoria.

You know, the ultimate jail-free card.