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[–]julesburm1891 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Disclaimer: I’m coming at this from a very American perspective.

There was a Bo Burnham song my friends liked in high school. It had a lyric that went something like “being the owner of a company that makes rape whistles / you started the company with good intentions / but now you don’t want the rates of rape to decline / because your sales rates will also decline.”

That’s kind of what it feels like looking at the left right now. They started with really noble intentions of wanting equal rights for LGB people. Then, our struggle became a massive part of their image. We’re now stuck in a situation where it really seems like they aren’t interested in just letting us be with equal rights because that curtails their “virtuous” brand. In order to prolong this, the demands are getting ever more frivolous and the gates have been thrown wide open to anyone who wants to pretend to be “queer.” Meanwhile, most of the LGB adults I know irl are just hanging out like “nah, I’m cool with being able to get married, not being able to be fired for being gay, and a pretty big shift in public opinion in our favor. Can we just chill out now?”

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

There are legitimate gay rights battles still to be fought, but that'd require them being critical of countries and cultures in Africa and Asia which isn't allowed.

[–]fuck_reddit 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

There’s a massive online debate raging at my university over israel/palestine and it’s morphed into pro-palestine people excusing the murder of LGB people in the middle east.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, I've tried to steer clear of the Israel/Palestine debate since it's highly likely an independent Palestine would be just as awful to women and LGB as other Islamic countries. The misogyny and homophobia gets hand waved away because Muslims are considered a protected minority group now, please ignore that they aren't actually minorities in the countries they're doing awful shit in.

[–]jiljol 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The sovereignity and dignity of people living in occupied territory needs to be protected, regardless of what their government structure might look like. Arguing against the right of Palestine to exist because it wouldn't treat a minority group decently is like saying that the U.S. can freely annex Uganda and basically any nation on Earth with an awful human rights record.

No religion should ever be above criticism (and that includes Islam), contrary to the selective bias narrative coming from they/them Twitter left-wingers. The solution to this, however, is not to come up with dubious excuses for neo-imperialism like neocon Fox News right-wingers. There are countless mechanisms to promote human rights around the globe, ranging from economic insentives to outright sanctions. Military occupation, seizure of property and resources and the creation of a settler colonial state are not a part of this list.

[–]Finnegan7921 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That was summed up perfectly in meme form where you have the typical college slacktivists holding their banner in the top half and a guy being dropped off a roof in the bottom half. The Women for Islam shit is exactly the same. It was and is all anti-Trump. He broke people's brains. He could have come out with a cure for cancer and I can guarantee you some writer would have argued in the NYT or WP that cancer is a good thing.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Trump Derangement Syndrome. Trump goes out of his way to egg it on as much as possible. The crazier he can make his opposition the better for him.

[–]Finnegan7921 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, and they know it, but fall for the bait every time. That's why they kicked him off social media. It wasn't b/c of Jan. 6 or the "Big Lie", its b/c they knew he'd be taking massive shits on Biden every single day. The border, inflation, unemployment, the weak sauce response to the oil pipeline hack, giving Putin Nord Stream 2, the insanely fawning media coverage, crime spiraling out of control, more shit about Hunter coming out every few days, Fauci's emails, the obsessive need to make everything about race, etc. Trump's fingers would be jacked from all that tweeting.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Boy tell it. There's a lot bubbling under the surface right now.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

It's the same with other woke causes as well, not just restricted to LGB issues (or, indeed, to the United States): grievance is big business.

When your bread and butter comes from telling people how racist / transphobic / homophobic / cisheteropatriarchal... they are, of course you've got a vested interest in keeping the problem around. I've always wondered a similar thing about researchers who work towards curing cancer. Aren't they going to be at a little bit of a loose end when you realise you've put yourself out of a job? (No, because cancer researchers will research something else I'm sure).

People like Robin DiAngelo don't want racism to cease to exist (it probably never will, so phew for her) because then who would buy her books or invite her to conduct anti-racist training? Similarly, if trans people get everything they want then they can't be the capstone of the oppression pyramid. And what then? Breathe a sigh of relief and get on with your life? Quietly? Like those faggots? No ma'am (it's sir!).

Edit: 'Capstone' wasn't the word I was looking for. It should be 'pyramidion'.

[–]Finnegan7921 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Its the same thing for Sharpton and company. Nothing will never be enough. 200 years from now, Al Sharpton VI will still be running the same hustle.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Perfect example. This was a big shift in my changing worldview that came from peaking. I became disillusioned with big supposed Charity organizations that weren’t tied to the local community.

We still need institutional support IMO and obv we will need more as great society inevitably hits peak trans. Homophobia remains a problem in the west even in liberal areas but it doesn’t play into black and white us vs. them narratives that others can use to claim moral high ground over others. I would love for us to be thought of as boring so we can just move on handling our own shit.

Plus no one can eliminate all of the discomfort that comes from being different or the opposite of everyone else. Pretending there’s no difference between us and heterosexual people and prohibiting discussion about our differences doesn’t help. That’s why we have each other and need to be able to identify ourselves and each other with common language. We are what makes each other feel at ease and OK with ourselves. It’s each other who helps us get used to being out and about with same sex partners while we act like and other human beings. It’s not randos carrying around rainbow lanyards at work or making dogmatic Facebook posts that give us that comfort.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Being marginalized these days is like a cool club everyone wants in... not the actual people on the bottom who suffer, but all the middle and upper classes who have it ok but think they are persecuted.

anyway I like your take on her comments, very well said.

[–]jiljol 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Always been a fan of Rising with Krystal and Saagar, but one thing that always bothered me was that there was essentially a total blackout when it came to reporting on the nonsense coming from transactivists. Krystal was obviously the one calling the shots and although she posits herself as a left-wing populist, she subscribes to basically everything coming from the woke crowd, to the point where she spent over an hour trying to justify the 2020 riots on Joe Rogan. She is cut from the same cloth as her buddy Kyle Kulinsky (sp?), another left-wing populist guy who claimed the only reason Trump increased his share of Black voters was because a handful of rappers endorsed him and we all know the only thing on the minds of Black people is rap music. Hopefully now there will be less limits on what kind of information is discussed.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're going to need to find me a source on that Kyle Kulinski paraphrase if you expect me to just accept that as a real comment. I've heard him reference economic populism many times in regards to this demographic shift.