ColonizationEven the Stalin regime wasn’t this good at revising history

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[–]Destresse🇨🇵 43 insightful - 1 fun43 insightful - 0 fun44 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I said it before and I'll say it again, pride doesn't exist because one person did something once. Marsha or not. Worshipping one person for this riot is plain stupid. Homosexual people gained their rights by combined efforts, but I don't expect people obsessed with ""validation"" to understand this. It's all about the individual to them. Hero complex and victim complex.

There's the revision or history, and then there's being stupid about it in the first place.

[–]insta 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It's not about the individual, it's about the intersecting circles of oppression. If Marsha was your typical white dude they wouldn't give a shit.

They just hold Marsha up for political reasons. Why do you think these people don't give a shit about Milk?

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Is Milk a person?

[–]insta 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Harvey Milk.

Not saying you have to make the guy a saint but there's a reason they pay attention to the people they do.

[–]usehername 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Huh. Thanks for the bit of history.

Not saying you have to make the guy a saint but there's a reason they pay attention to the people they do.

Yep. Oppression points.

[–]insta 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I dunno, I'm getting tired of people giving them the benefit of the doubt of "Oppression Olympics!"

At what point do we just admit that these people are just hateful? They are actively "trans-washing" history because they just have a problem with cis people or hetero people or white people. At what point is this not cute anymore?

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I dunno, I'm getting tired of people giving them the benefit of the doubt of "Oppression Olympics!" At what point do we just admit that these people are just hateful?

I don't think those two things are mutually exclusive. It's not cute, but it's the hateful game they play.

[–]insta 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think those two things are mutually exclusive.

I'm starting to believe they are. These people never give us the benefit of the doubt with some silly name. "Oppression Olympics" is just a cute name for racism, sexism, and sexual preference discrimination.

They would never give us the benefit of the doubt with such nice interpretation, they'd call us evil and try to ruin our lives. People just have this tendency to handwave or dismiss these people as if they don't have near complete institutional power.

[–]howdidthishappen 31 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 0 fun32 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Coming from a historian: Any ideology that revisions history needs to be seen as inherently suspicious.

[–]julesburm1891 27 insightful - 3 fun27 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

How did they manage to get everything except Johnson being a prostitute wrong?

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because they see the prostitution as a benefit in their quest for oppression points. Truth is irrelevant.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Don’t lose this month in rainbow capitalism

Idiots like the Gay Nerd do celebrate rainbow capitalism. They love that Apple and Starbucks and Facebook and all those other companies have rainbow logos for this month. They don’t seem to understand what capitalism even is. And they celebrate the worst kind of it, and that kind is called neoliberalism.

and unabashed racism

What racism? Who’s being racist to who?

because of the privilege of being white while queer

I’m not queer. But if me being gay includes me in your definition of that curse word you insist on using, then you should know that me being white doesn’t shield me from homophobia. What shields me from homophobia is my strength. Imagine if a gay man from majority-white Chechnya read this idiotic sentence, he’d be rightfully insulted.

If you aren’t supporting queer people of colour

I don’t support queer people regardless of race. I am willing to support other gay, lesbian and bisexual people regardless of their race, as long as they’re not dickheads. But if you want white LGB people to support you, then maybe you should stop being rude and nasty towards white people.

trans women

I don’t support trans women. Never will. Apparently, a lot of black people don’t support trans women either, and if I had to pick a side between trans women or transphobic black people, I’d side with the transphobic black people.

queer sex workers

No. Sex work is dangerous and degenerate. I will never support it. If I had a boyfriend and I found out he was a prostitute, I’d give him the ultimatum: either he stops being a prostitute, or I stop being his boyfriend. As for sex workers who are victims of trafficking, I will support their rescue and subsequent protection, but I also want them to stop being sex workers.

you aren’t celebrating pride

Fuck pride. I will never celebrate it. I’m proud to be gay, but I’m not one bit proud to be associated with this insane queer crap. Pride parades are embarrassing and I wouldn’t lose any sleep if those parades were banned.

you are celebrating rainbow capitalism

No I don’t. Rainbow capitalism is just a fancy term for neoliberalism. Neoliberalism is worse than communism, and communism is bad enough as it is. Light switch brains.

and police brutality

Again with that light-switch brain shit. I don’t support police brutality either. In fact, ever since the lockdowns, I’ve been anti-police. In my country, police used to kidnap children from their widowed fathers and entrap these innocent children in Catholic institutions where they were abused by priests and nuns, and in some cases molested. At least the Catholic Church apologised for their part in it, even if it’s still unforgivable, but why haven’t the police apologised? So yeah, I have no sympathy for the police, with a few exceptions. And guess what? I have no sympathy for BLM either, because they’re a Marxist organisation that spend most of their money on TRAs.

Her name was Marsha P. Johnson.

I’ve given up explaining to brain dead liberals that Marsha P. Johnson was a gay man, who was a drag queen, who turned up to the Stonewall Riots just after they’d started. He was there, he played a big role in it, but he didn’t start the riots, nor did he do all the work. But if you explain that to woke liberals, they call you a liar and use mental gymnastics to justify what they’ve been conditioned to believe. I’ve learnt that you cannot argue with stupid people, so what’s the point? All I can do is make sure they don’t spread their stupidity like a disease to other people.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I couldn't have put it better myself.

[–][deleted] 22 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I thought misgendering was supposed to be a crime on the level of murder, but they constantly misgender this self-identified gay man.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They need him to be trans so they can gaslight the homosexual population into grabbing our ankles for TRAs.

[–]usehername 18 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Guess I support police brutality then.

[–]julesburm1891 15 insightful - 10 fun15 insightful - 9 fun16 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

“If you don’t support my insane premise without questions, then you support murdering kittens!!1!” —Pretty much every TRA argument ever

[–]SilverWolf 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They're really just tacking on as many labels as they can now. And when exactly did marsha become bisexual? I mean, obviously they said that because being gay is so "unqueer" and being straight doesn't get minority points, but how long has this been a thing?

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I thought Marsha was gay as well. And he probably was gay, and had no attraction to women whatsoever. To be honest, I’m more surprised that the post didn’t misrepresent him as pansexual.

[–]Rag3 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

So what happened to all the gays and lesbians? They were just sitting silent while Marsha threw shit and made a fuss? Lol

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldn't put it past them to revise history where it was a trans bar, and the big bad gays and lesbians called the cops on them.

[–]JulienMayfair 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What gets me is the sheer cynicism of it all.

Marsha P. Johnson was a local colorful character who helped out to some degree with local homeless kids. Now that's a great thing in and of itself, but it's never been clear to me how much their organization was actually able to do. Has that ever been documented? How many kids did they help? How much help did they provide? Many people tell stories of how volatile and unstable she was, so how did that work in terms of providing for kids?

The bottom line for me is that Marsha P. Johnson was never a figure of any national importance until TQ+ opportunists were looking for someone to turn into a saint. They've taken advantage of the fact that Marsha was dead to rewrite her life and turn her into their creation.

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The trans community has taken to fantasizing about many historical figures as being trans, namely women who dressed and disguised themselves as men in deeply sexist societies where women were basically not allowed any real freedom. Claiming they must have been literally trans is a grotesquely self-serving thing to do. They want to build up figures to celebrate and worship, regardless of their actual relevance.

[–]JulienMayfair 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Even when they oppose the St. Marsha narrative, they always say, "We owe so much to Marsha P. Johnson," or "We owe a lot to trans women."

I'd like to ask: What exactly do I, as a gay man, owe to trans women? Name one thing. Is there a single thing that trans women have done historically that has materially made the conditions of my life better?

I can't think of anything.

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Literally nothing. Every single historical LGB org has been taken over and become LGBT with a hard emphasis on the T. Nobody seems to care that homosexuality is still in need of its own advocacy.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We got gay marriage. What else could we possibly need? /s

But seriously, these assholes won't stop until everyone's greeting each other with neopronouns.

[–]MiaXiang 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I've seen this bullshit on friends' facebook posts. I don't want to fight with people I care about as tempted as I am to point out how untrue this is. As according to people who were there and from Marsha P. Johnson's own mouth. It just really pisses me off. Lying about reality really pisses me off.

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is indeed very frustrating, having to decide to pick your battles when you see stuff that is clearly bullshit.

[–]SkepticalHPSSuper Straight 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m kinda unclear why TQs have latched so hard onto Marsha P Johnson? Have any of the people who knew him personally commented on the insane amount of tall tales that have been spun around him? It’s so gross to lie about the life and identity of a real person as some sort of lame way to get asspats from your fellow dumbass libs.

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

[citation needed]

[–]Virginia_Plain 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This was one of the first things I saw on my FB feed when I friended someone. My feed was within minutes an avalanche of obnoxious, reposted rants like this, as well as passive aggressive statements written by this dude that just vaguely accused anyone reading them of being a TERF or a racist or whatever. Also: Eli Erlick worship and images of gay men kissing with "this is why im homophobic at Pride" comments underneath. From friend to unfriend in about 30 minutes.

[–]pacsatonifil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right because it wasn’t thousands of men and women coming out, getting thrown out of their homes, and risking it all. A sex worker didn’t change the hearts and minds of the nation all on their own.