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[–][deleted] 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Protip: never compare any modern-day scenario to the Jews, the Nazis, the Holocaust, or Anti-Semitism in general. It always ends up a you-know-what show; it does not matter how nuanced or correct your take is on it. In Stonewall's case? Pretty stupid.

Putting my cynical hat on, I think what's really going on with Stonewall is that organizations who subscribed to them felt that Stonewall would give them the tools and advice to shield themselves from legal liability, and at the least, social disapprobation, but that's the cover story. Not familiar with UK law, I don't know if it is possible to actually indemnify oneself to a third party for those sorts of employment liabilities, but in the US, you can do certain things like that. The Bailey case should be pretty illuminating. Anyhow, Stonewall is getting its "diversity champions" in legal hot water, and that's where the real fuss is.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You're right. The Nazi business is a sideshow. It's OK to call people Nazis nowadays, especially if you're on the Left. No one seems to remember what real Nazism is anymore, or remember that the Nazis were defeated in WWII, which was a while ago.

Corporations are waking up to the fact that they've been giving Stonewall tons of money in order for Stonewall to use these corporations as arms of its own lobbying agenda, rather than providing a service that benefits the corporations. Now the word is out that Stonewall is providing factually incorrect, even illegal advice, and that a relationship with them is a legal liability.

[–]reluctant_commenter 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Corporations are waking up to the fact that they've been giving Stonewall tons of money in order for Stonewall to use these corporations as arms of its own lobbying agenda, rather than providing a service that benefits the corporations.

Lol. Very true. It is a little dark, although beneficial for us, that corporations that hold so much power are cutting off a homophobic lobbying group simply because that lobbying group is threatening their profit/bottom line. I would not expect a corporation to do otherwise, of course, it's just a little sad to think about... none of them would have rejected Stonewall if Stonewall were still helping their bottom line.

[–]bopomofodojo 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

real Nazism is anymore, or remember that the Nazis were defeated in WWII

This is a pretty shitty take. An ideology does not simply magically vanish into history just because an implementation of it (and its original leader) was defeated. Thousands of literal SS officers were insta-forgiven by the US in Operation Paperclip, for instance.

Nazis, people subscribing to the ideology of National Socialism as espoused by Adolf Hitler in 1920's through 1940's Germany, are absolutely a thing today. Trying to do the "but they're not actually 'Nazis' because they're not literally Germans in 1945" is obtuse and intentionally distracting from the issue at hand.

Is the term "[literal] Nazi" misused, yes. Does that mean that anyone and everyone isn't a Nazi, no.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's way off-topic for this sub, but where Nazis ended up and what type of political groups they ended up influencing is a fascinating subject! If you brought that up on Saidit proper you'd get a great thread going.

[–]julesburm1891 21 insightful - 7 fun21 insightful - 6 fun22 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

I would absolutely love to see the diagram explaining how not accepting men as women is anything like anti-Semitism.

[–]CuntWorshiperWomenholic full time | vagina fetishist part-time 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wait, I’m gonna grab the spectrum I drew on PowerPoint and rub it in your face, nazi fuck

[–]julesburm1891 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Make sure it has Barbie on one side and GI Joe on the other so there’s no doubt about what you’re saying.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How does accepting reality affect Jewish people? Aren’t there Jews out there who actively oppose this gender ideology? Not all Jews think the same way. It’s laughable that the leader of Stonewall would be so ignorant, so light-switch-brained, so arrogant as to say such a dumb thing. But hey, if this accelerates Stonewall’s descent into irrelevance, then I hope the CEO says more dumb shit.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Aren’t there Jews out there who actively oppose this gender ideology?

Abigail Shrier and Ben Shapiro come to mind...

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. There’s one thing I can agree with Ben Shapiro on.

[–][deleted] 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Acknowledging reality=anti-semitism? Is that really the messaging she wants to go with? If so, it's not the GC feminists who are the nazis here.

I also love how these people continually give GC feminists far more power than they actually have. They just blame everything on the evil TERFs when most of this shit is happening is because Stonewall fucked up majorly. Stonewall just can't stop fucking lying.

[–]SerpensInferna 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

continually give GC feminists far more power

Right?!? One of the most bizarre things about their ideology to me is how they have created a lurching nightmarish monster out of a relatively powerless, small, loosely connected group of women whose main crime is stating the truth that MtFs are not biologically women.

Listen, fellas, no one listens to women anyway. The fact that people have been able to collect pages and pages and pages of explicit death and rape threats towards TERFs, and those threat-makers remain unbanned and un-reprimanded by your wider community, should tell you all you need to know about the power imbalance here.

[–][deleted] 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seems like Stonewall pushed their luck a bit too hard with this.

[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean I’ve seen people online do the whole “TERFs are Nazis” thing but the CEO of a major charity seems to be a first. Well by all means keep publicly airing these batshit beliefs, the faster the downfall the better

[–]wokuspokusWoman in a man’s world, TERF in whatever we call this madness 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Stonewall have finally offended a group other than women (who don’t matter anyway) and LGB (who most people think are on their side). And organisations are waking up after now (is the timing coincidental?) The beginning of the end awaits.

[–]hellonumpty 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Twitter TRAs aren't backing down on this stance.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They can't. They have nowhere to go from there.

[–]usehername 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Everything is "antisemitism" nowadays. Criticize Israel? Antisemitism. Disagree with my opinion? Antisemitism. Someone spray-painted a swastika on the front of my (Jewish) kindergarten when I was a kid. It's not like there's no such thing as antisemitism anymore, and no one's doing Jews any favor by diluting the meaning of the word.

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Referring to males who identify as trans women as being male is akin to antisemitism? You might as well just declare all of reality to be transphobic and be done with it.