RantYou know what will stop the T? Conservatives.

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[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yes, the rise of far-right parties all across the globe is totally "more & more progressive".

What power, institutional power, do they have? What's their real size? Why should I, or anyone here, take them seriously?

Every TV protagonist nowadays is a villain with no redeeming qualities. Friggin moodier than the post-depression noir period.

*Anti-Hero.

There is a difference.

[–]SnowAssMan 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What power, institutional power, do they have? What's their real size? Why should I, or anyone here, take them seriously?

Maybe you have a bad memory, but a decade ago it was unthinkable that fascism would see a resurgence. Maybe you lack historical knowledge, because the way the far-right take over is by force, not by majority, or even plurality. Maybe you live in a bubble, but most counties have to give these far-right candidates air time because of their growing popularity. It's a snowball effect. The discourse becomes more & more right-wing. "Far-left" is in common parlance nowadays. How did that happen? Jordan Peterson is a traditionalist, that's his ideology. He has been around for decades, but only now has he become relevant. How did that happen? Feminism used to have a presence on social media. Now it has none. You didn't notice the big or small ways in which the world changed over to mainstreaming the far-right more?

Anti-Hero. There is a difference.

Unlike you, I know the difference between an anti-hero & a villain. The very least an anti-hero does is defeat the villain. If the show's main character is an "anti-hero" but there is no villain, guess what? The "anti-hero" is the villain, not an anti-hero at all. Breaking Bad, House of Cards, Game of Thrones – villains atop villains. Never thought it could get worse than Dexter & 24.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Maybe you lack historical knowledge, because the way the far-right take over is by force, not by majority, or even plurality.

Wrong.

The far-right takes power using a populist platform, promising easy solutions to complex problems. It happens in times of crippling economic depression and misery because because at those moments the population is more vulnerable to these kinds of discourse.

The main examples of this are the South American militar dictatorships.

Maybe you live in a bubble

I live in a country that had a long far-right militar dictatorship that killed many people and made others simple disapear to this day.

Refrain from pulling this bs on me.

but most counties have to give these far-right candidates air time because of their growing popularity.

Or this is the case because of the principle of Freedom of Speech? Bring me numbers and figures, not abstract bs.

Jordan Peterson is a traditionalist, that's his ideology. He has been around for decades, but only now has he become relevant. How did that happen?

Jordan Peterson is far-right now? lol

Basic bitch traditionalists have always and will always exist.

Deal with it.

Feminism used to have a presence on social media. Now it has none

Liberal feminism, or in other words, useless shit that only concerns itself with casual shit like women representation in capshit movies? Eh?

You didn't notice the big or small ways in which the world changed over to mainstreaming the far-right more?

You mean by calling basic bitch conservatives far-right? Hell, even conservatives themselves are playing this game, calling basic bitch leftism 'socialism'.

US political discourse is shit.

[–]SnowAssMan 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The national rally, the AFD, UKIP – either didn't happen, or were always there, which is it you're trying to argue? Brexit & Trump also either didn't happen or don't represent a trend.

J Peterson always existed, but he was a nobody. The economy being in the toilet is the reason he has become a household name now.

Why is modern feminism indistinguishable from conservatism? How did that happen?

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The national rally, the AFD, UKIP – either didn't happen, or were always there, which is it you're trying to argue? Brexit & Trump also either didn't happen or don't represent a trend

Brexit, as a movement, wasn't 'far-right', with the same being applicable to Trump.

Stop conflating mainstream conservatism with literal neo-nazis.

Also, let's come back to my previous question, which you didn't answer:

"What power, institutional power, do they have? What's their real size? Why should I, or anyone here, take them seriously?"

Remember: I'm not talking about mainstream conservatism here, but of actual 'far-right' groups.

J. Peterson always existed, but he was a nobody. The economy being in the toilet is the reason he has become a household name now.

...and? He's mainstream conservative, not an existential threat to anyone.

Conservatism will always be present in modern political discourse, deal with it.

Why is modern feminism indistinguishable from conservatism? How did that happen?

Simple, because of intersectionality.

In modern social justice reading of intersectionality, feminism has not only to deal with questions related to women's opression, but also with completely unrelated things, like trans rights, for example.

Remember Atheism+? Same kind of deal.

Now social movements founded to deal with specific questions in society have to literally play Super Friends and deal with every possible social justice topic imaginable, even ones which are irrelevant or counterintuitive to their original purpose.

And guess what? This is not the fault of conservatives, no no, but of modern neoliberal progressivism.

[–]SnowAssMan 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The rise of the far-right is the only thing that happened last decade. If you think it didn't rise enough to be a concern that doesn't mean it didn't rise at all, or that its rise isn't worthy of note.

Again, Peterson always existed, he was always conservative, but now he is mainstream. What changed? He didn't.

How did intersectionality lead to femininity being empowering?