RantYou know what will stop the T? Conservatives.

submitted by PatsyStoneMaverique from self.LGBDropTheT

We aren't capable of organizing against the gender movement.

The gay people who have the social skills, empathy, and political awareness to build community aren't here. They are either sincere believers in gender theory, begrudgingly putting up with it because it's a requirement of their social class, or they have become Republicans and Tories.

Politics follows culture, if you have no culture you have no political presence.

We're all just circling the drain massaging our egos here, unable or unwilling to push forward. I'm sick of the daily critiques of mentally ill people and the constant bashing of bisexuals. You think I've misunderstood? I'm telling you, I'm not asking you. It is what you are doing.

You all seem content to be atomized in your little niche pockets of the world fixating on the intricacies of your particular identity. Conservatives worldwide are on an upswing politically, they have the cultural capital to form alliances and win support. They attract people.

When the inevitable conservative backlash hits and gay rights are affected, you will all still be here, still complaining about the same things and enjoying your misery.

You know who I never see any of you critiquing? Straight political liberals. They're the ones fucking the kids up.

This will stop when they lose institutional power.

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[–][deleted] 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I mean, I do agree this place is a massive circlejerk, but where else are we supposed to vent? Reddit? Tumblr? And there's only so much we can do on Twitter. None of us here have any major social or political capital.

But I think it's inaccurate to assume at least some of us aren't politically or socially active outside of this bubble. Personally I volunteer at the women's shelter nearest where I live, and LGBT orgs can be a minefield these days, but from the looks of it some people here follow LGB Alliance or LGB Fights Back.

I hate the straight liberal lobby as much as the religious right, they're the same brand of homophobic conversion therapist to me. I do agree when the tide turns and conservatives are back controlling the narrative and institutional power we will suffer because of it. But I'll still hate the backlash against LGB then as much as I hate what's going on now. Definitely nothing enjoyable about this particular brand of misery, lol. LGB Alliance is way far from perfect but at least it's the step in the right direction of people with organizing ability actually doing the organizing. The way I see it, hopefully more LGB orgs will be encouraged to form and brace against the inevitable conservative backlash.

I agree it's definitely the liberals behind new-age homophobia and conversion therapy, as well as corrupt medical professionals looking to extract as much $$$ from the current social climate as possible, consequences be damned. And I'd like to think there will be future consequences but unfortunately I think most will get away with it.

Also, there do seem to be some people on here with a hate-boner for bisexuals which I find kind of embarrassing, but I suppose being the nature of the internet, we can't control the opinions of everyone who posts.

Edit: I guess, if we wanted to transform this sub for the better instead of just circlejerk posts, how would we do it? Maybe that could be something potentially worth brainstorming too.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree it's definitely the liberals behind new-age homophobia and conversion therapy,

We spend very little time "naming the agent" (to use the feminist phrase) when discussing all of these crazy straight women who think they're gay men, or think they're lesbians, or think they're pansexual genderqueers. It veers into misogyny too frequently, in my mind.

but from the looks of it some people here follow LGB Alliance or LGB Fights Back.

I want to hear more from people doing this!

Also, there do seem to be some people on here with a hate-boner for bisexuals which I find kind of embarrassing, but I suppose being the nature of the internet, we can't control the opinions of everyone who posts.

My main concern is defending my right to be here and to not obey people who think it's their place to order me around. I know my own life and I'm not stupid or deluded, let me speak. I can have a thick skin for disagreements if everyone else promises to do the same.

Definitely nothing enjoyable about this particular brand of misery, lol.

It sucks hard, I think we're all heavily burdened by it.

I guess, if we wanted to transform this sub for the better instead of just circlejerk posts, how would we do it? Maybe that could be something potentially worth brainstorming too.

Yes, yes, yes! I think another option would be to try experimenting with new types of posts to see what people respond to. I posted an Audre Lorde poem I've always felt deeply and no one bit, lol.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Edit: I guess, if we wanted to transform this sub for the better instead of just circlejerk posts, how would we do it? Maybe that could be something potentially worth brainstorming too.

Late to this post, but just wanted to respond, in case you were looking for ideas. I have seen a few posts in the past about this.

I try to post news articles, and thoughtful essays; the news helps me feel connected with what other sane LGB people are up to, and the essays often spark interesting discussion and people here share stories that they might not have shared otherwise. I think discussion posts are good too! The kind of content that I think tends to get more circlejerk-y, is just one-off images of a single TQ supporter saying something stupid... it's like, ok, we already know the types of illogical and bigoted beliefs there are in gender identity ideology, cool. (But if it's a celebrity, or a post with tens of thousands of likes, saying something extremely stupid, then that may be worth posting; just, if it's a nobody with like 5 followers, I don't really get the point.)

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

We're all just circling the drain massaging our egos here, unable or unwilling to push forward. I'm sick of the daily critiques of mentally ill people and the constant bashing of bisexuals.

I'm going to assume your're not just trolling:

What can I say?

Some need a place to vent, that's all.

Not everything has to be a great and pretentious political standing.

Conservatives worldwide are on an upswing politically, they have the cultural capital to form alliances and win support. They attract people.

Populism is on the rise, not conservatism.

The covid shitshow is eroding political structures in record time and is direcly responsible for this, not TRA shit.

The cultural balance still swings hard progressive and this is not going to change anytime soon.

When the inevitable conservative backlash hits and gay rights are affected, you will all still be here, still complaining about the same things and enjoying your misery.

Well, depends.

It's pretty naive to think that conservatives being in power means overnight repeal of gay and lesbian rights, as there's a whole bureaucratic apparatus that exists just to prevent that from happening.

Even in the long run I believe this won't happen, but what will happen is TRAs losing a lot of their prestiege and political influence in the next few years.

Their bullshit is still an ongoing debate, which hasn't been been properly cemented in the cultural sphere, not even close.

Recent controversies, like child transing and Title IX protections, are also on going questions which have not yet been fully debated, which means that TRAs have much more to lose than LGB people in the long run.

So no, anti-gay death squadrons won't become a thing anytime soon.

You know who I never see any of you critiquing? Straight political liberals. They're the ones fucking the kids up.

I agree with this.

They are the ones pulling the strings, be on the right or on the left, while using LGB people as props to fight their battles.

Who are the ones who profit most from Pride again?

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

What can I say?

Some need a place to vent, that's all.

It's not venting, it's bonding through hatred of outgroups. It's toxic and it's 90% of the content here.

Not everything has to be a great and pretentious political standing.

Online communities, where people shoot the shit and joke with each other, can and do get used for political organizing. They are how Donald Trump won the 2016 election and how he's maintaining power in the Republican Party. There's nothing pretentious going on, they just have healthy communities that share information and encourage their members.

So no, anti-gay death squadrons won't become a thing anytime soon.

Obergefell is essentially guaranteed to be overturned once Clarence Thomas is Chief Justice. It will be the gay apocalypse in the U.S.

They are the ones pulling the strings, be on the right or on the left, while using LGB people as props to fight their battles.

Who are the ones who profit most from Pride again?

Thank you, you are absolutely right.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not venting, it's bonding through hatred of outgroups. It's toxic and it's 90% of the content here.

Yes, it is.

Most things we say here are ban-worthy in the modern social media context.

Ultimately people come here to say what they can't say in there.

Online communities, where people shoot the shit and joke with each other, can and do get used for political organizing.

There's a diference between slacktivism and actual political movements.

They are how Donald Trump won the 2016 election and how he's maintaining power in the Republican Party. There's nothing pretentious going on, they just have healthy communities that share information and encourage their members.

So you belive in the 'Youtube made me a nazi' meme then?

Let's face it: what elected Trump was the promise of a conterpoint to the then rampant neoliberal establishment represented by the democrats. It had nothing to do with social media people whining about wokeness in capshit movies.

These communities only attract people who already are entrenched in a certain set of beliefs, that's all.

Obergefell is essentially guaranteed to be overturned once Clarence Thomas is Chief Justice. It will be the gay apocalypse in the U.S.

I don't belive so.

Gay marriage has already becomed part culture for it to be single-handedly overturned overnight. There will be debate, lots of it, before anything is done. If this happens people are going to be very pissed off and there will be backlash.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Gay marriage has already becomed part culture for it to be single-handedly overturned overnight. There will be debate, lots of it, before anything is done. If this happens people are going to be very pissed off and there will be backlash.

You are going to be massively, unpleasantly surprised in the coming years, then.

You might find this interesting: how Donald Trump used memes to win 2016

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Obergefell is essentially guaranteed to be overturned once Clarence Thomas is Chief Justice. It will be the gay apocalypse in the U.S.

Excuse me, what? What are you basing this on? Once Clarence Thomas becomes Chief Justice? Why is this a done deal in your mind, let alone a likelihood? Only 5 Chief Justices in history served on the Supreme Court as Associate Justices before their appointment, and I see no scenario in which Thomas becomes CJ.

The Chief Justice is not the longest tenured justice serving at a given time. They are generally appointed to the Court for the first time as the Chief.

The current Chief Roberts is 66 and Thomas is 6 years older at 72. We also just started a Democratic presidency so there will be no Republican appointment of a justice, let alone a Chief one for at least 4 more years. At that time, even if Chief Justice Roberts died or retired, Thomas would be 76. Republicans would want to maximize tenure and choose someone young. Selecting a 76-year-old would be a huge waste.

And I’m not sure what special powers you think a Chief Justice has, but their main power is to decide who writes the opinion, but the writer is chosen from among whichever judges were in the majority.

And in reality, the person who actually writes the opinion is a fresh out of law school grad clerking for the judge.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

And in reality, the person who actually writes the opinion is a fresh out of law school grad clerking for the judge.

The clerks do writing and research for them, the Justices have their own opinions. The only Justice ever accused of having clerks deliver opinions on her behalf was Ginsburg, because she was so frail it was suspected by her detractors she couldn't work anymore.

Justice Thomas is so hot right now

Today the changes on the court have left Justice Thomas uniquely empowered. First, the new conservative majority now requires two defections for the liberals to triumph. Second, as the associate justice with the most seniority, it falls to Justice Thomas to assign the majority opinion when the chief justice comes down on the dissenting side. That presents Chief Justice Roberts with a dilemma: Since he can no longer dictate the outcome by himself, choosing the dissenting side without Justice Kavanaugh invites a Thomas majority opinion.

He's issued essentially a public call for challenges to Section 230 protections for tech companies and the court will be hearing a challenge to Roe v. Wade this year.

I think the current political situation is a lot more volatile than you obviously do. Biden isn't going to last until 2024. There are many rumors about Chief Justice Roberts being forced to step down going around in the conservative press due to an illegal adoption facilitated by Jeffrey Epstein. Seriously.

I also think the general public would not be nearly as outraged as you do by these laws being overturned. It's been a brutal year and people are tired of liberal political activists.

So, that's that. 2021 is going to be absolutely wild to live through!

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I went to school with, am friends with, have worked with, and was taught by several SCOTUS clerks including Thomas and Ginsburg. And I’m no stranger to being on the inside of the chambers of the federal judiciary myself. I know how this stuff works, but yes it’s taboo to admit the power recent law school grads have on the development of U.S. federal law. But it is what it is.

Whether Biden or Roberts don’t last until 2024, that still doesn’t give us Chief Justice Thomas and Thomas’s thinking on the issues scares me a lot less than others.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, fair enough. I'll go ahead and take your word for it.

I'm honestly a little thrilled I get to talk to someone with that kind of education and access. Are you an attorney?

[–]kwallio 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thomas will never be chief justice. He's too much of an intellectual lightweight. As far as I know he's never had an original thought, ever. When Roberts retires or dies a new chief justice will a appointed and I hope to got its a liberal.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Where did you read that?

[–]kwallio 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't read it, I just pay attention to the news. If you have paid any attention at all to the supreme court you'd know that he doesn't write his own opinions, hardly ever asks any questions. He's a lump in a robe. No one like that is ever going to be chief justice.

[–]SnowAssMan 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

I disagree.

First of all, conservatives in government are more corrupt than liberals, so they have to always side with the moneyed side. The moneyed side in this case is the T, thanks to big pharma & the autogynaephiles (middle-class, white guys).

Secondly, traditionalism prefers transgendered over gay. The T is the pathologising of homosexuality. Why have homophobes like Pat Robertson & Rush Limbaugh supported them? Why is a theocratic, homophobic country like Iran a trans haven?

I think the takeover by the T is in large part because the Overton window has shifted to the right, making liberals right-wing. Since the economy has been in the trash for 13 years now, it's made everyone more conservative. Look at mainstream feminism. It has fully adopted the right-wing mantra: freedom to conform. The pro T crowd are all right-wing who just use different language.

In the past, left & right used to exist. For instance, in the past feminists might say "women should have the freedom to not have to shave". Nowadays they take up the conservative position, while still retaining the feminist formulation: "women should have the freedom to shave" – no right-winger was opposed that "freedom", so who is their new message targeting? Who are they opposing? Answer: left-wingers, feminists.

There is now no difference between liberals & conservatives beyond the superficial. We've been breached. Where they haven't infiltrated, they've appropriated.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I think the takeover by the T is in large part because the Overton window has shifted to the right, making liberals right-wing. Since the economy has been in the trash for 13 years now, it's made everyone more conservative. Look at mainstream feminism. It has fully adopted the right-wing mantra: freedom to conform. The pro T crowd are all right-wing who just use different language.

I wouldn't say so.

This is not a matter of ideology, but of money.

Today transgender issues are the big money maker, so liberals have only shifted their attention to what currently is profitable. That's all.

In the past, left & right used to exist. For instance, in the past feminists might say "women should have the freedom to not have to shave". Nowadays they take up the conservative position, while still retaining the feminist formulation: "women should have the freedom to shave" – no right-winger was opposed that "freedom", so who is their new message targeting? Who are they opposing? Answer: left-wingers, feminists.

Same goes here: feminism is not profitable anymore, so the hegemonic talking heads behind western feminism have chosen to 'adapt' it to modern times

[–]SnowAssMan 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

"modern times" lol

Every time the economy has crashed the population has become more traditionalist/conservative/right-wing in its wake. That's been the case since the agricultural revolution.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Every time the economy has crashed the population has become more traditionalist/conservative/right-wing in its wake.

Has it though?

Since 2008 our economy has been getting more and more shit, but things only god more and more progressive.

[–]SnowAssMan 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yes, the rise of far-right parties all across the globe is totally "more & more progressive".

Two things happened last decade: the rise & fall of Julian Assange/WikiLeaks & the rise of the far-right. That's it. Literally nothing else worthy of note happened last decade. How did you miss the only thing that happened in 10 years?

Have you watched any TV shows from the 90s? They seem like "SJWs" on steroids compared to nowadays. Every TV protagonist nowadays is a villain with no redeeming qualities. Friggin moodier than the post-depression noir period.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yes, the rise of far-right parties all across the globe is totally "more & more progressive".

What power, institutional power, do they have? What's their real size? Why should I, or anyone here, take them seriously?

Every TV protagonist nowadays is a villain with no redeeming qualities. Friggin moodier than the post-depression noir period.

*Anti-Hero.

There is a difference.

[–]SnowAssMan 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What power, institutional power, do they have? What's their real size? Why should I, or anyone here, take them seriously?

Maybe you have a bad memory, but a decade ago it was unthinkable that fascism would see a resurgence. Maybe you lack historical knowledge, because the way the far-right take over is by force, not by majority, or even plurality. Maybe you live in a bubble, but most counties have to give these far-right candidates air time because of their growing popularity. It's a snowball effect. The discourse becomes more & more right-wing. "Far-left" is in common parlance nowadays. How did that happen? Jordan Peterson is a traditionalist, that's his ideology. He has been around for decades, but only now has he become relevant. How did that happen? Feminism used to have a presence on social media. Now it has none. You didn't notice the big or small ways in which the world changed over to mainstreaming the far-right more?

Anti-Hero. There is a difference.

Unlike you, I know the difference between an anti-hero & a villain. The very least an anti-hero does is defeat the villain. If the show's main character is an "anti-hero" but there is no villain, guess what? The "anti-hero" is the villain, not an anti-hero at all. Breaking Bad, House of Cards, Game of Thrones – villains atop villains. Never thought it could get worse than Dexter & 24.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Maybe you lack historical knowledge, because the way the far-right take over is by force, not by majority, or even plurality.

Wrong.

The far-right takes power using a populist platform, promising easy solutions to complex problems. It happens in times of crippling economic depression and misery because because at those moments the population is more vulnerable to these kinds of discourse.

The main examples of this are the South American militar dictatorships.

Maybe you live in a bubble

I live in a country that had a long far-right militar dictatorship that killed many people and made others simple disapear to this day.

Refrain from pulling this bs on me.

but most counties have to give these far-right candidates air time because of their growing popularity.

Or this is the case because of the principle of Freedom of Speech? Bring me numbers and figures, not abstract bs.

Jordan Peterson is a traditionalist, that's his ideology. He has been around for decades, but only now has he become relevant. How did that happen?

Jordan Peterson is far-right now? lol

Basic bitch traditionalists have always and will always exist.

Deal with it.

Feminism used to have a presence on social media. Now it has none

Liberal feminism, or in other words, useless shit that only concerns itself with casual shit like women representation in capshit movies? Eh?

You didn't notice the big or small ways in which the world changed over to mainstreaming the far-right more?

You mean by calling basic bitch conservatives far-right? Hell, even conservatives themselves are playing this game, calling basic bitch leftism 'socialism'.

US political discourse is shit.

[–]SnowAssMan 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The national rally, the AFD, UKIP – either didn't happen, or were always there, which is it you're trying to argue? Brexit & Trump also either didn't happen or don't represent a trend.

J Peterson always existed, but he was a nobody. The economy being in the toilet is the reason he has become a household name now.

Why is modern feminism indistinguishable from conservatism? How did that happen?

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The national rally, the AFD, UKIP – either didn't happen, or were always there, which is it you're trying to argue? Brexit & Trump also either didn't happen or don't represent a trend

Brexit, as a movement, wasn't 'far-right', with the same being applicable to Trump.

Stop conflating mainstream conservatism with literal neo-nazis.

Also, let's come back to my previous question, which you didn't answer:

"What power, institutional power, do they have? What's their real size? Why should I, or anyone here, take them seriously?"

Remember: I'm not talking about mainstream conservatism here, but of actual 'far-right' groups.

J. Peterson always existed, but he was a nobody. The economy being in the toilet is the reason he has become a household name now.

...and? He's mainstream conservative, not an existential threat to anyone.

Conservatism will always be present in modern political discourse, deal with it.

Why is modern feminism indistinguishable from conservatism? How did that happen?

Simple, because of intersectionality.

In modern social justice reading of intersectionality, feminism has not only to deal with questions related to women's opression, but also with completely unrelated things, like trans rights, for example.

Remember Atheism+? Same kind of deal.

Now social movements founded to deal with specific questions in society have to literally play Super Friends and deal with every possible social justice topic imaginable, even ones which are irrelevant or counterintuitive to their original purpose.

And guess what? This is not the fault of conservatives, no no, but of modern neoliberal progressivism.

[–]usehername 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

I think you've blocked me but fuck it I'll reply. No one is hateful towards bisexuals except that ONE guy who keeps making new accounts. Pointing out that bisexuals (usually ones who are not out) harm the LGB community in specific ways isn't a "hate boner". No one is fucking blaming you for that so being defensive isn't doing you or anyone else any favors. You're attempting to shut down discussion when as bisexual people we should be focusing on solutions to integrate these people into our community so the conflict can cease.

I agree with barbie that it's a bit of a circlejerk, but this is our only place to go where people share our opinions. There are debate subs and the like. If you're sick of this place and don't do anything about it in real life then the solutions are obvious.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Wait it’s one guy with different accounts?? Oh ok I didn’t even realize

[–]reluctant_commenter 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Gramaroo, JiminyCricket, Jellyfish something, etc... if you see a comment that hates bisexuals, lesbians, straight people, and has some typos, it might be a good bet.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The most recent ones were orangina5 and the original was exponent_2. The names are usually in lower case and I'll also add that he'll criticise gay men only if they're black, otherwise they're safe from his vitriol.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

There are repeated phrases and the writing style is pretty much identical. I'm guessing he keeps getting permabanned and that's why he keeps making new accounts.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

IP ban maybe? do the mods have that power on this site?

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No clue. Probably not, but it's possible?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No, we don't, only Admins do and can see that level of detail.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think on Reddit if mods suspect ban evasion they can contact the admins for IP ban, not sure if that’s the same here?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We can, yes, but it's ultimately up to the Admins if they want to do so.

IP bans are getting harder and harder to manage though, with VPNs and public wifi/hotspots. It's not always a guarantee, and can catch innocent people by doing so.

We've never asked for an IP ban because of that. We've just contacted Admins about obvious repeat trolls and ban evaders, and asked them if they can help. Give them the info, and let them do with it what they will.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Just letting you know his newest alt is flouiride25.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think you've blocked me but fuck it I'll reply. No one is hateful towards bisexuals except that ONE guy who keeps making new accounts. Pointing out that bisexuals (usually ones who are not out) harm the LGB community in specific ways isn't a "hate boner".

A little off topic-- I don't know if this helps explain at all, but I remember seeing a lot more negative comments about bisexuals months ago-- that's part of why I try to question it when I see it, I would prefer we not go back to that. But, PatsyStone wasn't around then either (unless this is an alt I guess) so I am not sure what recent examples he/she might be referring to.

[–]usehername 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree that plainly hateful comments towards bisexuals in general shouldn't be accepted and I appreciate your support, but Pat seems to take offense where none is given, which is why I felt the need to reply.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thank you very much. I literally don't understand why the f*ck so many bi's get so defensive all the time. I also criticize the lesbian community and attitudes from some lesbians. It's not that I purposely have a focus on criticizing bi people. I just criticize when I think something is worthy of criticism. And just like me, people here except from trolls or rare exceptions, never generalize bisexuals. We do make sure to separate the "old school bisexuals" from the "crazy queer ones".

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. It's not personal.

[–]our_team_is_winning 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I agree there's limited organizing because face it, it takes MONEY. Corporations are funding the Trans Craze. We could (and should) use exclusively LGB when referring to "community" (like we're all one big happy family -- hardly!) and call our representatives to voice our concerns over Trans Insanity, but we're not Kelloggs or Nabisco or any other global brand name. We're not Big Pharma. Anything we do is going to be grassroots simply due to lack of funding.

I don't see Conservatives taking over anything any time soon. The media likes to scare people with that, but facts on the ground are different. Speaking for USA here, the Far Left owns 95% of media, pretty much every university, and currently all three houses in govt. Also, we have mass immigration, and unless they're fleeing communism, the immigrant population veers Left. Plus we have this Universal Basic Income plan floating around, and we've already seen the "stimulus" and other govt payments expand. Once you get a large % dependent on govt aid, they're never going to vote Republican. And the Republicans seem like they might be stupid enough to permanently sabotage themselves by pushing through extreme abortion restrictions. So I don't see (America's anyway) Conservatives gaining ground. They WILL get a few bills though against transing children (and Chase Strangio is already on it!) They're never going to defend women's bathrooms, rape shelters, prisons -- maybe sports, but in limited places.

Definitely any backlash against the T is going to hurt LGB because the lying Wokesters won't stop saying "LGBTQ+ community" as though that's a real thing. I try to wake up everyone I know to the threat of autogynephiles, and every one of them responds by implying they're gay. I fear that's what the mainstream believe -- TWAG: Trans"women" are gay -- but they're not! (Oh yes they are, they're lesbians /s.)

Hate to say it, but more gay men need to speak out against the T insanity. Women aren't listened to. An ugly truth but a truth nonetheless. You men need to speak out. When we women do it, we're threatened with rape and told we're going to be punched, etc. They don't even have a slur like "terf" to use against gay men who speak up, do they? Just "cis" -- I don't like appealing to men for help, but the GB part of LGB need to be more vocal on the T issue.

Where's that Supergay movement now?

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Well someone did coin the term "TEHM" (Trans Exclusionary Homosexual Male) but I rarely ever see it being used, so I'd say your point still stands.

[–]usehername 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Probably because wokies have decided "homosexual" is offensive.

edit: Also you're right about men getting more leeway to not believe in gender ideology.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Plus we have this Universal Basic Income plan floating around, and we've already seen the "stimulus" and other govt payments expand.

These are going down the shitter once the labor shortage, which is already a thing, starts getting worse, so no problem here.

They WILL get a few bills though against transing children (and Chase Strangio is already on it!) They're never going to defend women's bathrooms, rape shelters, prisons -- maybe sports, but in limited places.

Yep.

Definitely any backlash against the T is going to hurt LGB because the lying Wokesters won't stop saying "LGBTQ+ community" as though that's a real thing. I try to wake up everyone I know to the threat of autogynephiles, and every one of them responds by implying they're gay.

This pisses me off so much.

The general population still has the same understanding of transgederism held in the 80s, even though alot has changed since then.

Hate to say it, but more gay men need to speak out against the T insanity.

Well some already do.

The problem is that, like the general population, most gay men still think transgender = HSTS, which is not the case anymore.

In this context, speaking agains TRAs means speaking against themselves, which they aren't going to do.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The media likes to scare people with that, but facts on the ground are different. Speaking for USA here, the Far Left owns 95% of media, pretty much every university, and currently all three houses in govt.

This! This is so true and this is where the power of online communities comes in.

You can replace the media with an online community, we already do this fairly frequently posting news items from all over the world. The media's greatest weapon in controlling narratives and public opinion is silence. They routinely bury stories and deny coverage of events that don't fit the story of the world that they're pushing.

We keep each other abreast of bad behavior by trans activists, power plays and legal shenanigans they're engaging in, who's with us and who isn't. We cover stories the media chooses not to.

Our greatest power can come when journalists start reading what we post to keep up with gender news. We will start writing the news for them, quite literally. Journalists are appallingly lazy. 4Chan discovered this power several years ago and ran with it.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I agree there's limited organizing because face it, it takes MONEY. Corporations are funding the Trans Craze. We could (and should) use exclusively LGB when referring to "community" (like we're all one big happy family -- hardly!) and call our representatives to voice our concerns over Trans Insanity, but we're not Kelloggs or Nabisco or any other global brand name. We're not Big Pharma. Anything we do is going to be grassroots simply due to lack of funding.

You summed up so many of our problems here. We're fighting the combined institutional powers of Big Business, academia, and the government.

I don't know about y'all, but I don't have much spending power. I also don't have tons of time or mobility.

There are ways to optimize online communities as a way to lobby for your cause with the general public and especially to influence media narratives. It can't replace traditional political activism but it is something that regular people can do that is genuinely effective.

If you conceptualize our current massive social conflicts as a war (which many do) online communities are a facet of 4th generation warfare and are being used very effectively by conservatives in the culture war

Online communities are suited to asymmetric power imbalances in particular- when one group maintains a massive political advantage over another.

[–]kwallio 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't have much to say except welcome to being politically homeless? I'm not sure what you expect a bunch of deplatformed feminists and gays to do. We've been completely stripped of any kind of institutional power over the last 5 years and there isn't much left except whining in our own spaces on the internet. Both feminist organiztions and gay rights organizations have been completely coopted by the trans agenda.

What I see the trans movement doing is making hating women and gays acceptable again, and since imo most people were never really fully on board the progressive movement in the first place its taken off like wildfire.

I agree that conservatism in general is on the upswing worldwide, but again, what do you expect a bunch of deplatformed gays and feminists to do about it?

While the vast majority of the population is probably not in 100% favor of the trans agenda most of them aren't exactly ready to line up behind a bunch of TERFs and gays to fight with them. Our position is UNPOPULAR, and there is not much you can do when your politics are UNPOPULAR in a democratic system.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah I agree with this take. The people who have the organizing ability and talent are already doing that, via LGB Alliance and LGB Fights Back. Straight liberals aren’t going to do shit for us and most are either apathetic or consider us as enemies. there’s a handful of straight conservatives that care but for the wrong reasons and it’s only a matter of time before they come after us again too. so all LGB across the entire political spectrum are on our own here.

[–]kwallio 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Imo the vast majority of liberals are basically libertarians in actual beliefs but live in large cities and want to have friends, so they parrot whatever the going trend is and don't think too much about it. Whatever the reason, the trans trend has coopted the "whatever is trendy in lefty circles" crowd and so until a large bunch of them wake up and go "Wait you guys believe WHAT" nothing is going to change. The vast majority of them aren't LGB and don't pay attention to women's sports (or sports at all) and so trans taking over those spaces doesn't affect them at all. For the most part trans trenders go after gays when dating, so the straights don't notice.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

there’s a handful of straight conservatives that care but for the wrong reasons and it’s only a matter of time before they come after us again

See, I think if we can show them that we have things in common, that it will have an effect on some. Probably not the religious ones, but if they see we care about issues like transient children then they see we are not just one LGBTQ+ monolith.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

perhaps you are correct. i do know many non-religious conservatives who have more of a "live and let live" mentality regarding homosexuality, even if they don't like it or understand it. but these same conservatives definitely have a problem with transing children or gender ideology being taught in schools. so i think these types of conservatives we could maybe develop an understanding with, as well as conservatives who are right-leaning for economic/fiscal opinions, not social ones. it's crucial however that they see TQ+ and LGB as separate entities, which is difficult to do with liberals and TQ+ constantly meshing us together in public policy and discourse.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I’m right wing on a lot of issues and I hold a lot of conservative beliefs. And yes, I do think we should accept conservative and right wing homosexuals, bisexuals and heterosexual allies into our drop the T movement. But this doesn’t have to be a left versus right, liberal versus conservative issue. I’m happy to work with liberals, socialists and even neoconservatives on separating the T, even if I strongly disagree on certain issues that are irrelevant to gender ideology. Although liberals are the worst offenders for pushing this ideology, there are neocons who do this as well, like Pat Robertson, the Republican governors of Arkansas and South Dakota, the late and not-so-great John McCain, and Charlie Kirk. We should not make the movement to counter gender ideology a left or right issue, we should just focus on this important issue at hand and then we can argue over the economy, healthcare, taxes, abortion, guns, immigration and so on.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think the reason you're willing to cooperate is because you're conservative. You can also take criticism, and are willing to point out flaws among conservatives and points of disagreement.

I wish the liberals here had that attitude, and would stop deflecting the flaws of liberalism onto innocent people who are being hurt by a broken system.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m not liberal or libertarian, but I don’t consider myself conservative. I just want to seek the truth. If that makes me a conservative or a liberal or whatever, then so be it. Admittedly, I have some viewpoints that are not popular here, but I avoid debating issues unrelated to stopping the gender ideology when I’m on this sub. I save these debates for other subreddits.

[–]orangina5 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

you seem to be completely clueless about how power works and where it comes from within the gay community. and it's interesting the level of rage you've shown when you were trying to shame everyone for calling out that bisexual male who was lecturing everyone on how sexuality is a choice but you were swimming in apathy, indifference and cruelty when being confronted about the harm being done to the gay/lesbian community by certain rhetoric and beliefs.

so "gay bashing" is ok and it's dismissed by you as being "hysterical" even though multiple people have told you that's what you perpetuate...and you've revealed an "us vs them" dynamic with bisexuals against gays and constantly try to position yourself into that and expect no one else to notice? You've even told other bisexuals theyre self hating if they dont think about themselves first at the expense of gays/lesbians.

You know nothing about the "modern" bisexual community, who they are and what they think but you love to dictate terms to them. and you just come off as a straight woman with your personality and the culture/environment that shapes your way of thinking and you just happen to have homosexual tendencies.

Gays/Lesbians and our entire personalities, culture and psychology are practical enough that we know we cant take on heterosexuals, especially the straight political liberals. theyre a gigantic ocean liner. theyre not evil people, theyre clueless and theyre stupid. you believe in a lot of conspiracy theories but gays and lesbians know heterosexuals are horrificly clueless people not because theyre inferior to us but power is invisible and insulates them. the entire country is made for them and their identities so everything is invisible and they dont need to know much to navigate their own country. and you honestly come off as clueless as they do.

we dont criticize them because theyre clueless about what this gender ideology crap means. it's not even an ideology. theyre a gigantic elephant and the way homosexuals organize can nudge them in certain directions.

after 2000 years of genocide against gays...they now feel guilty (and clueless) and extended an umbilical cord of empathy/compassion and leniency for failures and mistakes within the homosexual community. the transexuals saw this umbilical cord and their claws came out. that's the problem. all the resources (not just money but the resource of offering an open mind) has been hijacked by transexual straight men when it was meant to go to fixing homophobia. the "pronoun" garbage that so many heterosexuals willingly took on was a massive, gigantic waste of the resources that was meant to go to fixing their own homophobia instead of wasting it on stupid shit that no one will be doing 10 years from now.

and some incredibly bitter bisexuals helped "the T". I think you're aware of the "B with the T" movement. You seem like you could potentially end up with them. This is connected to our civil rights but those types of things dont matter to you (you've openly said you dont understand why gays/lesbians care so much about marriage...as if we're some alternative lifestyle thing).

Straight political liberals are idiots but theyre our resource. Barely a single one of them understand that transexuals are straight men. they just think theyre stupid, damaged and innocent gay kids. Conservatives wont solve this problem because their intentions are to repress everything but let it keep going. liberals force everything out into the open and rewire people's culture and brains. the solution is on the liberal side.

[–][deleted] 17 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Hey you, we all know you!

I didn't read past your first few words. I didn't even waste my time on anything else you said. That's how little your opinion means to me and everyone else here.

You think the other mods were critical? You don't know me.

I have no time or patience for your self-absorbed whiny baby-crying about being a victim 50 years ago and blaming people who live now for it.

You're being banned for the hundredth time.

Keep wasting your time and ours, please, it's clearly working. Your efforts are definitely worth it. I don't know what's wrong with you or why you feel better about yourself every time you're rejected, but you need to grow up, shill.

EDIT: please do not report the comment above, I'm leaving it for posterity and it's been archived, so we're all good.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Nah Patsy. I'm not interested in allying with people who want homosexual and bisexual rights stripped, abortion rights stripped, who want to continue fucking the environment and global working class. Just because we're both against gender ideology. For opposite reasons I might add!

Besides,

We aren't capable of organizing against the gender movement.

is a massive presumption of yours. We are doing it, and so are radical feminists, and we're going to keep doing it until we bring back common sense and win. Women and gay people have been and will continue organizing, and pushing back against the assault on our rights. It's happening.

[–]Preachy_Jerk 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

I'm not interested in allying with people who want homosexual and bisexual rights stripped, abortion rights stripped, who want to continue fucking the environment and global working class.

I guess you voted for the guy who helped Bush and Obama steal trillions from poor Americans to murder poor brown people in the Middle East and bail out Wall Street?

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

I love your username.

[–]Preachy_Jerk 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Thank you. I was quite pleased to see you shaking things up in here. Much of my peak trans journey has been characterized by chafing against the ideological normativity of GC/LGB spaces - as if the existence of these spaces didn't prove the failures of certain ideologies. Ideology is for NPCs anyways, I have no interest in arguing over whose thought-programming is better.

I see we have an adversary in common as well. She would rather think straight men are being raped in gay porn than admit male bisexuality exists. Weird.

Anyways, thanks for the food for thought, sorry I didn't have more time to participate.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Thank you, this all got a little acrimonious anyway (it also started acrimonious, that was me!) I was surprised at the thoughtful replies I got from some people. I need to get on their level.

I see we have an adversary in common as well.

I would love to know what the fuck her deal is. She says she's a college student and yet she has these blistering bitter opinions about everything under the sun that involves bisexuals. I was once a bisexual female college student. Not only would I have not been aware of an issue like that, I would never have had the confidence to spout off about it- even online. Bisexual women are not confident as teenagers (my impression,) we grow into it as we age.

Nice to meet you anyway, looking forward to seeing you around.

[–][deleted]  (9 children)

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    [–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Hello brand new account that's only hours old and has issues with capitalization and bisexuals. You wouldn't happen to be orangina5 back from being banned?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    No doubt.

    Gone.

    Also, please don't engage and taunt trolls ... it just gives us mods more work. I get giving a single snarky reply, I won't judge, but please then report.

    [–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'll knock it off. Heard.

    [–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    She would rather think straight men are being raped in gay porn than admit male bisexuality exists

    What? lol

    [–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I literally never said that. We argued about porn and I believe I said some of the actors in gay porn are straight and just doing it for the money.

    [–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Fair enough then.

    [–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    She would rather think straight men are being raped in gay porn than admit male bisexuality exists.

    Lol I never said that. Obviously male bisexuality exists, but some gay porn stars are straight. Most people in porn aren't attracted to who they're partnering with. An "adversary"? You're just some guy on the internet I argued with once.

    [–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Women and gay people have been and will continue organizing, and pushing back against the assault on our rights. It's happening.

    My entire issue is that we are failing in doing that. This isn't working.

    [–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I agree. As long as the far left has academia and social media, they can just program young lgb into the gender ideology. I was arguing with a guy on Reddit because his whole basic premise was the homosexuality is the gender attraction nonsense. And the fact that we are exiled from Reddit shows you what side social media is on.

    [–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I've kind of repeated myself in too many replies already, but the left is desperate for online censorship because online communities undermine their most effective political tool- media narratives.

    If you can subvert or even gain control over the media's narrative of a political or social issue, Democrats and upper class Republicans are fucked. Big powerful message boards like 4Chan and the_donald figured out how to do this years ago and immediately realized there are concrete political consequences to doing so. That's how powerful media actually is, and how fragile it is when faced with competition.

    [–]fuck_reddit 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    What if, I am a conservative. And what if, I critique straight liberals every day?

    [–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's a good thing and I appreciate it.

    [–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I feel like people are choosing their individual progressive causes, so they are voting for the same lefties that are erasing us, thinking they can work on the T takeover later, but it will be too late, as they are teaching straight and gay people different histories, and different language to describe ourselves. If conservatives want to "pause the war" because they don't want to see kids trans, than We can work together.

    [–]GayBoner 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Eww.

    [–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Thank you for the rant flair mods! It sure is!

    [–]Rubyredpython 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    This! All of this! I'm a firm believer of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Conservatives, specifically Republicans and Tories, are working overtime and I'm not going to stand in their way. More power to them. We've fought conservatives before and won. I'm not worried about them. I'd rather fight against a person who recognizes biology and science even if they don't agree than someone so bat dropping crazy they've replaced material reality with their own.

    [–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Agreed. I've always found conservatives easier to defend against as well.

    [–]SuperGayIsOkay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Conservatives worldwide are on an upswing politically, they have the cultural capital to form alliances and win support.

    You mean the ones that attempted to overthrow their own government in support of a mentally ill man who allowed a pandemic to run unchecked? Sorry, but no. Your analysis is misguided.

    Conservatives are essentially a comically inept supervillain, one that sadly does manage to wield a lot of political clout due to sheer idiocy of the populace and thus numbers, but because they are viewed rightly as being antagonists and responsible for much of the world's problems (including the United States' continued problem with gun deaths and mass shootings) it will always be a constant left vs right swing of politics.

    What you need for healthy politics and for sane social policy is for a better system of choosing leaders to come into place, one that allows us to make better quality selections of our elected leaders instead of settling for the barrel scrapings we put up with. Score voting for instance would get us that. From there, with a system that does not have wasted votes as plurality does, we would then have more nuanced representation within political spectrums from viable candidates, i.e. left leaning politicians who don't buy into the transgender craze.

    Our election system is part of the reason people are terrified of voting against the status quo, and why third parties are seen as dead in the water. A system that allows you to vote for multiple qualified candidates and rate them all honestly would fix a LOT of our issues.

    [–]PatsyStoneMaverique[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Republican governor of Florida signed this bill today:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-gov-ron-desantis-bans-trans-girls-from-school-sports-on-first-day-of-pride-month/ar-AAKBzZI

    We're supposed to be scandalized because he did this on this first day of our holy month, Pride Month.

    [–]pacsatonifil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    There is no way as they have been trying. The only thing that can stop them is a coalition from both sides. If you make it a conservative or liberal issue we will split ourselves and not be strong enough to stop them. That’s why I make it clear to people I’m very liberal, and Im not for gender nonsense.

    If a liberal critics your conservative politician do you even care? But what if another conservative does? Same on the liberal side.