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[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Her comments on another post:

I was introduced to yaoi at a young age and obsessing with reading/writing it for nearly a decade helped me understand that I’m a trans gay guy too.. of course fujoshis are gross fetishizing people and the community is rotten to the core with many problems (don’t even get me started on the dehumanization of omegaverse mlm) but yaoi in itself is just a genre with some pretty good content on a side, and junk on the other. Like every other genre. It’s a big part of what my journey to be even fair and I feel a bit invalidated to read this ;-; no offense. As though I’m pretending to be gay transmasc just to project that yaoi shit or whatever. (I also 100% agree with OP on bottoming transmasc etc fetishizing. It’s everywhere and it’s gross!) Edit: I didn’t mean you make me feel invalidated, that part was aimed towards the person who said women shouldn’t read yaoi! I couldn’t access their comment. Sorry for the confusion!!

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 12 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

of course fujoshis are gross fetishizing people

"I'm not like the other fetishists"

lmao!

[–]Athelhilda2 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I wouldn't necessarily say that she is fetishizing gay relationships via yaoi. It's entirely possible that she genuinely relates to the men in these stories in some fashion and has misunderstood this as being mentally a man herself. Perhaps she has a lack of female role models or the role models she does have leave much to be desired. This is a bit embarrassing, but I too was into yaoi at one time, and still favor ships that involve men. You would expect from this information that I would be either heterosexual or bisexual, but actually I have no interest in men and am likely either asexual or a lesbian.

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    [–]Athelhilda2 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    It is fetishisation, and as an object of the fetish I find it insulting and dehumanising ... BUT sexual fantasies are what they are - I can partly understand why it speaks to some women, particularly given the treatment of women in relation to sex in society.

    But women reading yaoi or gay fanfiction doesn't necessarily mean that two men together or men at all is a part of their sexual fantasies.

    But there are no gay men in these stories to sympathise with. There are only women and thier projections dancing for the sexual pleasure of other women.

    I've seen slash fanfiction (which is mostly written by women) of characters originally created by men, sometimes even gay men.

    It is no different for men watching lesbian porn made for straight guys. They are not watching lesbians, they are watching two women perform for thier sexual pleasure.

    I wouldn't really say that the two are the same, at least not entirely. I would have to say that yaoi and related genres such as slash fanfiction have more in common with cheesy romance novels and romantic movies like Titanic than with hardcore porn. Porn aimed at men tends to be more focused on sex, whereas women's tends to be more focused on romance with sex as an added bonus. Most women that I've met who are into yaoi or slash fanfiction are focused on the romance between the two characters, although there are women who just read it for the sex.