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[–]julesburm1891 17 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

“Words have no meaning and LGB people have no right to organize for their interests” would’ve been a way she could’ve compressed all this into one tweet.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 11 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

That would have required any level of clarity of thought, though.

[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"We are all in this together"

Oh, just shut the fuck up. Every single facet of my existence is antithetical to yours.

[–]usehername 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Let's unpack this one:

Lesbian does not mean anti-man.

There are lesbians who date men.

There are lesbians who are sometimes men.

There are lesbians—like me!—who use he/him pronouns.

Unless you date men, are a man, pretend you're a man, or force everyone to refer to you as a man, you're anti-man.

This is pretty fucking funny:

Straight queers exist!

And this:

Kink positive asexuals exist.

Lmao so someone who is so deep in a fetish that they no longer feel attraction to other people is exactly the same as LGB.

Aromantic people who desire romantic relationships exist.

I literally loled but then got sad. This whole thing is a conspiracy to make us fucking stupid and compliant.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

You know what? I used to see China as an enemy of western civilisation. But thanks to idiots like this numpty on Twitter, I’m ambivalent towards China now.

[–]orangina5 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

this never happened during the 90's because gays and lesbians had nothing. Now that we have something, we let anyone in our community. This person isnt stupid. They know what theyre doing and it's time we grow up and recognize it for what it is. At attempt to colonize spaces. Pride. All the other letters besides L and G want pride and they have a psychotic obsession with it. Gays and Lesbians were reviled and spit on to the point where the other letters didnt even exist.

Corporations used to casually support and fund politicians that casually wished death upon gays and lesbians. Everyone's standard rhetoric at the time was, "so what? it's their money and even if that politician said we should put the homosexuals on an island and kill them...the corporations highly benefited from his anti tax policies". It was just considered common and normal for corporations to support violently homophobic politicians because they had the best tax policies for corporations and gays were just expected to accept that. So we infiltrated the corporations, taught them gays and lesbians were a highly profitable group to market to and now the corporations, instead of supporting our deaths, now support making shitty rainbow things. And now we have access to mainstream culture. This, this is the time all the other letters suddenly came in wanting attention and trying to colonize our spaces. Just look at asexuals with their "we need RePrEsENtAtIoN!!!!" or "Bi ErASure!" when there was nothing they contributed that even got erased.

we just usually tend to leave these people alone hoping they'll go away but we need to be as obnoxious as they are and constantly throw stupid demands in their face.

[–]usehername 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You make a ton of good points, but this:

"Bi ErASure!" when there was nothing they contributed that even got erased.

Bi erasure isn't about contributions by bi people being erased. Bi erasure is when bi people are called or call themselves gay or straight instead of bi. It's an erasure of the concept of bisexuality. This is, of course, harmful to bisexuals (in the U.S., only 28% are out to their closest family and friends, as opposed to 70% of gay people), but it's particularly harmful to LG people because a "lesbian" who ends up with a man (bi woman) is "proof" that "homosexuals can be converted". It muddies the definitions of the words gay and lesbian, allowing for the possibility of opposite-sex attraction.

[–]orangina5 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

this makes more sense but i've seen it used as some borderline conspiracy theory that bisexuals were there all along and somehow the evil media erased them and theyre victims of gays and lesbians. your definition makes more sense but on bisexual subreddits, i've seen it being used as more of a "our people and history have been erased and given to the gays" when even now, most of them are closeted and make gays and lesbians suffer through the hard parts of homophobia while eating popcorn and watching on the sidelines.

[–]usehername 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hmm weird. I avoid those places so I wasn't aware. From what I can see, it's generally acknowledged when activists for gay rights are bisexual--for example, the bi lady who started pride--so it just sounds like a persecution complex. The majority of bi erasure is perpetuated by bi people who never leave the closet, and even if they aren't spouting it, they're enabling it.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

"Bi ErASure!" when there was nothing they contributed that even got erased.

Bi erasure is when you show up religiously to a forum founded and almost exclusively run by bisexuals and complain that they never did anything for you.

They're so tolerant and supportive they still haven't banned you, even though you thoroughly deserve it.

[–]orangina5 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

and what exactly do you feel you deserve from gays and lesbians even though theyre so generous to you to the point of tolerating your abuse and the abuse of your "community" when you're complaining about why gays are so whiny about human rights which you already have?

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why don't you ever talk about yourself? Tell stories? Why can't we get to know you beyond your resentments?

What brings you joy? What do you care about? What brings you here?

I don't care about fostering petty resentments. I want to be treated like a human being, and I want to treat everyone else the same. I'm here to connect.

[–]orangina5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

what does this have to do with resentments? this is a decades old problem of people like you causing massive problems with a sense of entitlement, then complaining when others call you out. apparently judging by your profile im not the only one you've had a problem with. you keep trying to analyze problems but scapegoating transexuals for everything. you're just here to shit on trans people...good for you but it has nothing to do with civil rights or the well being of gays/lesbians. you just find them annoying and that's it. and the nature of your comments reveal that maybe you just dont like the way they look or you dont like straight men (who does) but again, it's not connected to structural problems. there's no introspection with you. none of this seems to be making you a better person.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's just you and your fifteen alts.

Your only purpose here is to divide and stifle the development of a community.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ugh this reminds me that my friend just tried to correct me when I said I was in a heterosexual marriage. She said “but you’re gay so it wasn’t heterosexual.” I said “no, it was heterosexual because we are of the opposite sex regardless of our sexual orientations.”

Why would my homosexuality override his heterosexuality? That is treating heterosexuality as the default and as a state of purity and a drop of homosexuality as tainting the purity of that relationship. Makes no sense and calling that relationship anything other than heterosexual just makes it harder for me to tell my story and explain key aspects of my life to people.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I've been told not to call a marriage between a lesbian and a bisexual woman a homosexual/gay marriage, but rather a "same-sex marriage." I've also been told not to call bisexual-lesbian couples "lesbian."

Some people take those rules to their logical conclusion and extend it to heterosexual relationships.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've been told not to call a marriage between a lesbian and a bisexual woman a homosexual/gay marriage, but rather a "same-sex marriage." I've also been told not to call bisexual-lesbian couples "lesbian."

I am not too miffed by a relationship between two women whether the individuals in it are bisexual or lesbian calling themselves a “lesbian relationship” because there is still no good, non-awkward word for causal use. Hence the popularity of “queer.” That is one reason I would like “sapphic” or an equivalent to become popularized because a word is absolutely needed to fill that void and I want it to be a word that lacks ideological and political connotations. “Lesbian couple” is a little more iffy than “lesbian relationship” for some reason because it does for whatever reason give me more of a connotation that they’re both lesbians, but again it’s not a hill I would die on because I understand the criticism on both ends.

Some people take those rules to their logical conclusion and extend it to heterosexual relationships.

In my experience this is coming from two different groups of people with different motivations. The first is coming from people who are concerned with homosexual erasure which is now newly as much an internal problem as it is an external problem and is resulting in sexual orientation (and sexual preferences on top of that) of both homosexual and bisexual people becoming dangerously reframed in the language of discrimination and inclusivity.

In my experience, for the second group who don’t want me to call my prior marriage “heterosexual,” they tend to be of the woke/queer mindset where they want to “queer” everything no matter how shallow and meaningless even when the inevitable result is that they end up conflating with and supplanting real issues of erasure.

[–]grixit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Words don't have to mean!

[–]Uranian 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Words mean nothing: hair, clothes and make-up are all that matter! This is why you won't find me attending any "Pride" event for the foreseeable future.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The minute they say "reminder" you know it's going to be bullshit.