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[–]divingrightintowork 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There's a big issue of people not being taught to take ownership for their issues it feels like. Just like, your anxiety disorder or whatever isn't a free pass to be an asshole. The whole thing about being like "I have anxiety," was a subtext of like "please be patient with me," which was a request, not a demand, and now it's just gone way past that....

On an unrelated note - it'll be interesting to see what happens to this place -

https://www.eastonmountain.org/history-2

it was a gay man's retreat and it's been "trying to be more inclusive," we'll see how it goes.... last I talked they were having a bit of a hard time including trans men in gay men's sexual pleasure workshops because they're hella dick focused (duh) - but you can guess what dickcentric sexual workshops exclude, right?

[–]Virginia_Plain 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Easton Mountain is making a bad decision. Sadly, I have been involved in organizations like this (rad fae stuff), and the response I have seen to becoming more "inclusive" is for the newcomers to basically tell the gay men to sit down, shut up, and fuck off if they won't do the first two. I've said it before and I'll say it again: gay people's biggest mistake was to think that homophobia only came from a certain religious/political viewpoint. Like it or not, there is a certain aversion many people have to two men or two women having sex, and religion and conservative politics are just two of the justifications people can use.

Gay people need to emphasize that homosexuality is good in and of itself. Not for the sake of undermining western capitalist patriarchy, not for the sake of breaking the binary, not for the sake of sticking it to your uptight Catholic parents who are freaked out by QuEeR sEx,. If the squares are ok with it, then fine. Besides, I think a salt-and-pepper guy in khakis can be a sexy look. It does not need to be re-imagined and re-branded to appease the tastes of the theythem uglyhair brigade.

Those who get gay men to doubt themselves, to say that maybe they are the intolerant ones by not wanting this or that in their romantic lives, are far worse enemies. Open-mindedness is understanding that there are people who might want things that you don't necessarily understand, not twisting yourself into knots trying to please everyone. Those who tell gay men and lesbians they are "closed-minded" for not accommodating them into their sex-lives are parasites who should not be given the time of day. Maybe they should not be so closed-minded as to shut off the idea that not everything can and should be for everyone! I would never go to a lesbian sex workshop and ask them to have a little intermission where the gay guys can come in and talk about prostate massage techniques.

There are plenty of seminars and resources for trans-inclusive sexuality, and plenty of people who would be interested in attending. Good for them! The major LGBT organizations are mainly focused on funding trans issues, and there are several monied trans people who could do what gay men did and pool their resources to create community spaces. Instead, they want to take advantage of infrastructure that has already been established.

[–]divingrightintowork 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

:standing ovation: It's certainly not like people aren't ready to dump money into dubious trains tracks.