DiscussionDo you think the queer and trans movement will drive lesbians - particularly young lesbians - into the arms of radical feminists?

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[–]SickOfThisShitNow[S] 9 insightful - 8 fun9 insightful - 7 fun10 insightful - 8 fun -  (4 children)

It's difficult to sum up in a few sentences (I have a lot of experience with them as they do look appealing at a surface level and it took me a long time to piece together what was happening and to accept that I hadn't found a refuge from TQ but had walked into something else destructive and damaging). Off the top of my head: Their ideology and priorities are all about heterosexuality. Lesbianism is just a strategy (ie giving up men and identifying as a lesbian as a statement against the patriarchy). They have little understanding or interest in lesbian issues or addressing lesbophobia, including within the movement, particularly from straight and bi women who identify as lesbians. It looks like they care about lesbian issues but over time you will notice that it's completely about things that fit with their ideology anyway - so basically the trans issue, male violence against lesbians. With the oppression olympics and them fighting against LGBT organisations, it's politically useful for them to claim that they are fighting for lesbian rights and representing us but we are just a tool. There are some decent people in radical feminism but also some of the worst people I've met in my life - and some of the most blatant homophobia and lesbophobia (but they hide behind identifying as lesbians). Although I have largely stayed out of it, the 'sisterhood' fights, breaks into factions, lies about and betrays each other more than any women I know (if you google feminist trashing you will see this is a problem that goes back since the early days of the movement.) I think the slur TERF to characterise anyone who opposes the extremes of the current trans movement has been a great gift to radfems - in truth most people involved in this aren't radfems or have started calling themselves radfems because they think it just means people who know there are two sexes. I don't disagree with working with radfems on this issue, just as I don't necessarily disagree with working with conservatives (depending on the circumstances) but I think it's a mistake to then think that they represent our interests.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Literally most radfems are gnc lesbians.

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't think gnc lesbians even make up a big enough percentage of the female population for that to be true.

Anyway from when I used to lurk on r/gendercritical it seemed to me most of them referenced having husbands/boyfriends/male casual affair partners, seemed like most of them were straight to me.

[–]votkriscan 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

R/gendercritical is not a radical feminist forum though. Most people were really there just to talk about the TQ issue because there aren't a lot of spaces to discuss it if you aren't a christian or religious. Christians, for example, have their own churches and groups to talk vividly about the matter. However, anywhere else in the general non-religious mainstream will likely get you cancelled.

Some women may also use the opportunity to talk about sexism issues that affect them, since the forum is also designed for it, but that is very different from being an actual radical feminist.

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Perhaps it wasn't a strictly radfem forum, but it did seem like the majority of posters there were radfems