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[–]tu_jode_mucho 32 insightful - 2 fun32 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Not trying to be combative, I'm legit curious how does radical feminism not represent lesbians' interests? I would think it may conflict with some of straight women's interests but not necessarily lesbians, but I'm no expert.

[–]nettygay5 3 insightful - 8 fun3 insightful - 7 fun4 insightful - 8 fun -  (2 children)

It doesnt just "conflict", it's hostile to homosexuality. And it's not just straight women but bisexual women as well. You should see their relationship to lesbians within these spaces. And Lesbians are homosexuals. The overwhelming majority of them belong to the homosexual community, which includes homosexual males. This whole "woman utopia" thing is ridiculous when most of these women are furiously masturbating to dick like incels while complaining about the men, luring lesbians in as if theyre going to be part of some magical cult is pretty pathetic. It's as dumb as gay men thinking they'll get their rights trying to build "penis land". "womanhood" is an illusion they try to hold together with duct tape called "intersectionalism". Gay marriage, access to insurance, the right to see your dying partner at their last moment before they pass (that was denied to many homosexuals), the religious institutions that regulate and advantage heterosexuals and their relationships...again, all of those were homosexual problems caused by homophobia that affect both gay men and gay women. What does radical feminism do except pretend you're in some sort of "no men allowed" club that causes tension between homosexual males and females. Straight women are closer to the patriarchy than gay men are so this whole "sisterhood" thing doesnt make that much sense.

[–]malloww 24 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I dunno dude, based on the history I'm aware of and my personal experiences, gay men are pretty happy to use our labor and treat us like accessories in their lives, just like everybody else. Your argument seems to be centered on how being gay is more important to our experience than being female, but you take that as a given and don't question your premise at all. Yes, marriage and legal rights to medical care for your partner and being treated as legal next of kin is very, very important. So is being able to have a bank account and a job and a life without a male cosigner. And I say this as a person who recently got a pep talk from my male boss (who doesn't know I'm gay because his mind would explode) about how brave I am for being a "single female". Point is, you assume we have more in common with you than with straight women, but you don't seem to have examined that belief at all. Please explain in detail why you think homophobia should outweigh sexism for us. Please explain in detail why you think my partnership should be more important to me than my legal right to existing as an independent human being in my own right.

[–]BEB 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, in the US it was the weight of gay-supportive straight women's opinions and votes(!) that got politicians to pass gay rights bills.

IMO, if it were up to heterosexual men over 45 now, gay rights would have languished. I think a lot of straight men over 45 still don't truly support gay rights - they might tolerate them, but I wouldn't say they would go out and fight for them like some straight women did.