Gay men are more privileged than asexuals.

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[–]usehername 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

They're blind to what's going on in the West as well. Native people were literally genocided and continue to live tiny, shitty pieces of land with zero infrastructure. It's also legal for non-Tribal citizens to come on tribal land and commit crimes, since tribes can't legally try non-Tribal citizens, and the U.S. doesn't have jurisdiction (despite constantly overstepping their rights). Where are they getting their talking points?

[–]grammaroo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

i saw your conversation with a bi woman i've been arguing with and holy christ. The bisexual community has a lot of power but also has the power to cause a lot of damage.and then trying to strategically deflect blame.

There are a lot of bisexuals who identify as gay/lesbian because they dont want to "leave" the community and their internalized homophobia lead them to believe they were tainted to never explore their opposite sex attraction since it's so scary leaving a community you identified with, and she doesnt want to accept them as "true bisexuals", whatever the fuck that means. These "gays" and "lesbians" are furiously masturbating to the opposite sex but because of the way they've been raised, their interest is "sparked" by typically gender non conforming "flavours" of the opposite sex, which is now so common to lust after even by heterosexuals (typical straight women now lusting after "fem boys", which confuses the shit out of gay males), theyre damaging gays and lesbians because it validates conversion therapy rhetoric and she's so f*cking petty that she's been arguing with gays/lesbians and thinks she's playing a strategy of not wanting to "lose" to gays/lesbians being frustrated by bisexuals that she would rather destroy these confused bisexuals, torment them and gaslight and harm them JUST to spite gays/lesbians. Holy CHRIST for her to even exist in bisexual spaces must be a huge problem.

And she thinks she's at war with gays/lesbians as if theyre taking all bisexuals to the Hague Court to be tried for crimes against humanity and she must engage in a cover up to not be "scapegoated" so she built a narrative in her head that gays/lesbians can sort of be attracted to the opposite sex so all these people arent bi? So she's willing to attack her own fellow bisexuals and harm them by gaslighting them and brainwashing them to think theyre really just homosexuals because she thinks she'll be personally blamed for this whole mess.

She really is alien to gays and lesbians and it shows. They wouldnt tell her this to her face but if they even have a 1% ability to be attracted to the same sex in hostile climates, they would absolutely take it. And it's too offensive to say but making a gay man have sex with a woman is like beastiality or making him have sex with a car but we cant say these things because it's highly offensive. So she's one of those "im bi and i cant imagine not being bi" type of destructive people.

[–]usehername 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If you're reading this, Pat, hi.

Also, what I'm about to say is relevant to the post at hand because the discussion we're referencing relates to the wheel, where bi positioned as more oppressed than gay.

There are a lot of bisexuals who identify as gay/lesbian because they dont want to "leave" the community and their internalized homophobia lead them to believe they were tainted to never explore their opposite sex attraction since it's so scary leaving a community you identified with

Exactly. These types get defensive over their identity so acting like they're not part of the bi community isn't doing anyone any favors. The idea that someone could experiment with both sexes and not find themselves revolted and feeling raped after messing around with one of them means they're bi. I'm sick of people hand-waving bisexuality as "sexuality isn't rigid". If your sexuality isn't rigid you're biiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. If you can be "brainwashed" into not being gay anymore you were never gay, you're bi or fucking lying. Homosexuals can't just look at a little propaganda and suddenly they're getting aroused for the opposite sex! Bisexuals that lean far one direction (especially when they lean homosexual) are the worst when it comes to this misinformation.

So she's willing to attack her own fellow bisexuals and harm them by gaslighting them and brainwashing them to think theyre really just homosexuals because she thinks she'll be personally blamed for this whole mess.

That sums it up.

it validates conversion therapy rhetoric

Yep.

And it's too offensive to say but making a gay man have sex with a woman is like beastiality or making him have sex with a car but we cant say these things because it's highly offensive.

I once heard I gay man say "I prefer men to women like I prefer chocolate ice cream to a bear trap to the face".

Bonus:

Me: I'm glad you enjoy my perspective, but I'm not looking for any older internet friends. Thanks for the offer, though.

Pat: Lol go fuck yourself then, you ridiculous bitch! I'll remember from now on that you're parroting other people and know jack shit about the world 😉 Christ almighty, what an embarrassment.

[–]grammaroo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

i saw her run to the bisexual sub for refuge and every other bisexual trying to explain how unreasonable she was being. She just has conflicts with gays/lesbians while trying to push lots of vulnerable bisexuals under the bus and destroy/gaslight them just out of pettiness to "win" an argument against gays/lesbians.

She's literally pushing the "theyre not REEEEAAALL BISEXUALS because they lean more homosexual" yet bisexuals who use the "im 5% or 10% homosexual" card are running around rampaging into every space they can causing chaos and pretending to be persecuted by gays/lesbians because they hear the "you're not REALLY bi because you're not perfectly 50/50" as if thats the worst thing to say to them yet here she is pushing the same exact rhetoric on her fellow bisexuals.

and she genuinely doesnt get it. Saudi arabia, iran, all of asia. Homosexuals are immune to heterosexual propaganda and "life experiences". You can remove all traces of homosexuality in our culture and they'd still be homosexuals. Conversion therapy PROVED no matter what you do you cant convert homosexuals, you can only break them into suicide. why do you think theyre always so concerned with conversion therapy rhetoric. she's immune to this because it's just an "annoying" ride for her. Conversion therapy to bisexuals is like a smack across the face. or maybe a baseball bat across the face. to homosexuals, it's more like a bullet to the head.

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This isn't a flex but it was actually just me (and technically the one person who upvoted 2 of my comments) disagreeing. The rest were just telling her to chill. I brought up concerns and she said it was scapegoating and was upvoted.

She's literally pushing the "theyre not REEEEAAALL BISEXUALS because they lean more homosexual" yet bisexuals who use the "im 5% or 10% homosexual" card are running around rampaging into every space they can causing chaos and pretending to be persecuted by gays/lesbians because they hear the "you're not REALLY bi because you're not perfectly 50/50" as if thats the worst thing to say to them yet here she is pushing the same exact rhetoric on her fellow bisexuals.

Yep.

[–]grammaroo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

it's amazing to me how she so casually dismissed the whole concern of "gender fluididty" and how it affects civil rights. Our entire lives, decade after decade after decade for not just centuries but for millenia, when we werent busy being killed, we were busy being "converted" which just lead to psychological torture and suicide and when that wasnt happening, we were told to "shut up and find the right woman". Our entire recent civil rights history (which apparently she doesnt care for even when she said she's much older than you and "knows more and is more experienced", she apparently forgot the entire culture and legal case was "no special rights for gays/lesbians because it's a lifestyle choice and not a sexual orientation.

Our civil rights victory was piling up a mountain of dead bodies so high that it drove enough guilt within heterosexuals to finally understand that we're homosexuals and cant be "fluid". They genuinely saw us as heterosexuals with a disgusting homosexual perversion that needed to be fixed. that we "CHOSE" to be gay, meaning we're "fluid" people. We only got our civil rights when they realized we couldnt choose and that we're born gay. And she's trying to condescend to you but admits she cant even see the connection between gays/lesbians being homosexual and the whole "fluidity" thing.

And she's american. So can you imagine where the overwhelming majority of the world looks to the western world and allowing this "fluidity" meme to take hold. The gays/lesbians in the middle east, africa, asia, latin america where their civil rights movement hasnt begun would be beyond, beyond fucked. And when she brought up scapegoating...like...what? Gays are going to punish her? She's not afraid of gays/lesbians. she just wants to win an argument and willing to burn the entire LGB movement to do it.

[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah she's definitely out of touch. I was getting exasperated.

And she's trying to condescend to you but admits she cant even see the connection between gays/lesbians being homosexual and the whole "fluidity" thing.

It's the lack of empathy.

The gays/lesbians in the middle east, africa, asia, latin america where their civil rights movement hasnt begun would be beyond, beyond fucked.

Yep. It needs to be stamped out now. The U.S. affects world politics a lot more than most people realize.

And when she brought up scapegoating...like...what? Gays are going to punish her?

I don't fucking know bro.

Conversion therapy to bisexuals is like a smack across the face. or maybe a baseball bat across the face. to homosexuals, it's more like a bullet to the head.

I see you added this to your previous post. Yeah, it is harmful to bisexuals, but in the end, they are still able to not feel like a total fucking failure since they have opposite-sex attraction (of course, I hope they escape instead of believing in stupid ex-gay shit, but it is what it is compared to suicide for homosexuals). Yes, they're really fucked up, but it's just not quite as bad.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ibram X Kendi and Robin DiAngelo.

[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks, I'll check it out.