LGB ErasureSaying the quiet part loud: Gender ideologues and mainstream LGBT organisations are now being openly homophobic

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[–][deleted] 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

I'm really tired of homophobic bisexuals thinking their experience with sexual orientation is universal and the norm. If you like males and females, regardless of what hormones or surgeries they've had, you're bisexual. There is nothing wrong with liking men and women who look masculine with masculine secondary characteristics. That's fine, it's fine to be bisexual. But not everyone is bisexual. It's not the standard human experience. Most people (heterosexual and homosexual) are only capable of experiencing sexual attraction to one type of primary sex characteristic. And this notion that we can be converted if we are "open-minded" or do enough mental gymnastics can be traumatizing. We know conversion therapy doesn't work and results in severe psychological damage. Why the fuck is this okay and hailed as progressive. And it's coming from bisexuals, nonetheless. How the hell did we get here.

Edit: also, I've seen at least with some of these bisexual men, if they're pressed about it, they'll admit to being attracted to butch women. Reminds me of a twitter thread I saw once where a guy said "I've met a few in real life and I was drawn to them, but I didn't pursue it because they identified as women and lesbians". Then there are other bisexual men who are only into "passing" trans men, and these guys are probably a bit higher on the Kinsey scale. But bottom line, if you like pussy, you like pussy. Kinsey 5 is still bisexual.

[–]usehername 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I 100% agree. These types drive me fucking batty. Plus, since there are more bisexuals than homosexuals, their voices drown out those of actual homosexuals, so this fake definition of homosexuality becomes popularized. Bisexuals doing this is a huge problem and honestly is not recognized by the bi community at large. It's hand-waved by hets and some bis as "sexuality is fluid1!1!", but when the issue is brought up among sane bi people, they feel it's scapegoating. In my eyes, bi people are the majority of useful idiots behind this ideology. I'm not blaming all bi people, but the majority of people that do this are bi (though they usually lean heavily towards one sex) and it's not offensive to say so. Most heterosexuals don't get involved in something like this unless they have a fetish or are very young and trying to look cool.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Yeah I totally agree with you and I also agree that while a lot of bi people are doing this, it’s not all of them. I’ve talked with a few DropTheT bisexuals through online spaces and they all express a great deal of frustration and betrayal at other bisexuals pushing these homophobic narratives.

[–]usehername 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

True. A lot of people take issue with the word biphobia, but it's because it's so often misused. Bi people do experience homophobia, and it's just wrong to call that biphobia. Biphobia is the negative stereotypes against bi people.

DropTheT bisexuals through online spaces and they all express a great deal of frustration and betrayal at other bisexuals pushing these homophobic narratives

True, but they still get defensive and perceive it as a personal attack sometimes. I said something about it in s/bisexuals (all of them come from this sub, otherwise they wouldn't be on saidit) and the person who said I was scapegoating was upvoted and I was not. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That's a mischaracterization of that convo!

I don't have an issue with you, but I'm not a fan of being shadily alluded to as if I was out of line in some way talking to you. You didn't need to write that.

[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't think it is. Would you prefer I @ you next time?

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Usemyname

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

u/PatsyStone

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hi! 👋

[–]julesburm1891 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I really think the root causes of this are people thinking LGB is a club you can join and biphobia. The former explains why we’re seeing everyone and his brother announce they’re lesbians and the latter explains the clearly bi people who are claiming to be gays and lesbians.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah I definitely agree, biphobia and plain ignorance about the bi experience is a big part. I feel like the loudest bisexuals are strongly OSA-leaning, so Kinsey 4s and 5s can’t relate at all and just call themselves gay and lesbian, and then proceed to assume actual gays and lesbians feel as “fluid” or “complex” as they do. Which is how you get nonsense like “I’m a lesbian and my boyfriend is my exception” or “I’m gay and attracted to both men and trans men” like in the linked article, and attacking gays and lesbians of gate keeping or bigotry when they’re told no, that’s not actually a homosexual experience.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’ve been liking Graham Lineham a lot. Especially now that he’s been redpilled on the trans issue.

From the racist abuse endured by the LGB Alliance Ireland (in which Amnesty Ireland CEO and gay man Colm O’Gorman participated and for which he has yet to apologise)

Yep. Doesn’t surprise me. Amnesty International is an insidious organisation and their Irish subsidiary has been causing a lot of trouble on my island. Hopefully they will fade out of relevance one day.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

I'm not sure where bisexuals got brought up in the article, maybe we're just having a venting session.

The guy Noah mentioned by Linehan appears to be a lesbian transman, she doesn't have much info available outside of social media profiles.

Noah seems to want to pretend lesbians don’t exist. Why ? Because lesbians are living proof that same-sex attraction is real. And gender ideologues are doing everything in their power to pretend it’s not.

I wonder what her motivation might be 🙄

The actor appears to be a conflicted gay man rather than sincerely bisexual (or at least that's what Graham seems to think.) Not that that's a new thing.

Edit: I thought about it a little more. All three activists in the article at least to me appear to be homosexuals who have in some way prioritized hetero attraction over their own. I do not interpret that as being bisexuality- 'cause I'm me- but it can read that way. I think their motivations for doing this are fundamentally political. It comes from their political ideology and the desired power structure they want to create.

[–]usehername 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

I'm not sure where bisexuals got brought up in the article, maybe we're just having a venting session.

The narrative that's being pushed is: lesbians must be attracted to trans women. Translated from wokespeak to English: lesbians (all homosexuals really) must be bisexual (attracted to males and females)

All three activists in the article at least to me appear to be homosexuals who have in some way prioritized hetero attraction over their own.

If they're not lying, they're attracted to men and women and therefore bi.

I think their motivations for doing this are fundamentally political. It comes from their political ideology and the desired power structure they want to create.

Possibly, but more likely they're bi useful idiots.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

Only one of the three activists identifies as bisexual in the article. It's actually none of them. He purports to be gay while being purportedly sexually attracted to transmen, whom he purports to be men.

I don't think the pressure is to be bisexual, I think the pressure is to be less gay and there's only one way to do that. I don't think the pressure is coming from bisexuals either.

When bisexuals are subject to this same pressure, we identify as straight because we can usually pull that off. It's the same pressure coming from the same place playing out in varying ways.

[–]usehername 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

It doesn't matter what they identify as, if they are attracted to both men and women they're bisexual.

I don't think the pressure is coming from bisexuals either.

If those activists aren't lying, they're bi.

When bisexuals are subject to this same pressure, we identify as straight because we can usually pull that off. It's the same pressure coming from the same place playing out in varying ways.

It's not the same pressure because these people fetishize the same-sex attraction. Without it, the appeal is gone. There's also the appeal of being the "exception".

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

I literally don't know what you're talking about. Did we read the same essay?

It's not the same pressure because these people fetishize the same-sex attraction. Without it, the appeal is gone. There's also the appeal of being the "exception".

I don't know where this is coming from, can you drop me a couple of links or give me examples? I'm so lost. I apparently am approaching this from a very, very different perspective.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

David Paisley is bi:

I'm attracted to men, including trans men.

He has attraction to men and women (trans men). That makes him bi. He also says:

I know plenty of gay women that support and include trans people.

Those women are attracted to women and men (trans people, though it's clear from the context he means trans women and enbies). That makes them bi.

Bisexual activists are saying they are homosexual and trying to modify the definition of homosexual so it means bisexual (though they have a different definition of "bisexual", which is why they don't identify as such).

You need only browse this page to find examples of bisexuals (and hets, but that's not what we're talking about) fetishizing same-sex attraction. Usually, these people are claiming to be gay or lesbian, but by their woke definition, gay and lesbian includes people of both sexes but different "genders". Whether or not these people actually feel attraction to both sexes and one "gender" (which is frequently the case, and is very likely the case with the activists I referred to earlier), they are describing bisexuality and claiming to be bisexual (despite using another word for it).

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

Yeah, nah. I'm not sold on this, I'm especially not taking that nutty actor's word as gospel. You're approaching this with a lot of suppositions about how people choose and express identities that I don't think are reality based.

[–]usehername 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

If a person is attracted to men and women, they are bi.

If a person is attracted to "trans women" and women but identifies as a lesbian, they are bi.

If a person is attracted to "trans men" and men but identifies as gay, they are bi.

If a person is attracted to "AFAB enbies" and "AMAB enbies" but identifies as clownsexual, they are bi.

Need I go on? I'm the one taking the reality-based approach, while you're hung up on how the people identify.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

I think they're caving to peer pressure and deluding themselves. That's how people behave.

They get told, "find a way to be less gay," they find their ways.

[–]usehername 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

Ok, so your argument is that they're lying? Some of them definitely are, but plenty aren't. Either way, they're still claiming to be bisexual (though by a different name) so it involves us. Also you seem to be under the impression that they're all lying. I can tell you right now that's not true. I know people like this and I used to be one. Idk how old you are, but I'm Gen Z and this is common among bisexuals my age.

This situation happens all the time:

  1. Meet gay/lesbian person
  2. Get to know them
  3. Find out they experience some attraction to the opposite sex, but are usually effeminate/butch respectively and lean heavily towards the same sex, plus a lot of their identity is based on being gay/lesbian.
  4. Realize they are bi and a liar ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

https://archive.ph/X27s8

[–]usehername 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think Graham deserves the clicks.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's not why I post archives; it's in case the original disappears. Click away.

[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I see. Thank you for your service lol

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My pleasure. :-) I know some do it to bypass people giving Reddit clicks, which is also a worthy cause.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And one for the Declaration on Women's Sex-Based Rights mentioned in a comment: https://archive.ph/Jp5Qk