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[–]grammaroo 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

when you google pictures of the stonewall riots, 99.999999999999999999% of the people there were white. but ok.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 14 insightful - 19 fun14 insightful - 18 fun15 insightful - 19 fun -  (1 child)

White supremacists photoshopped the real rioters out...

[–]reluctant_commenter 18 insightful - 21 fun18 insightful - 20 fun19 insightful - 21 fun -  (0 children)

🤣 Yeah, I hate how white supremacists always claim credit for leading the gay rights movement.

[–]KingDickThe2nd 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I really do not understand the obsession with Stonewall, a bunch of ridiculous stereotypical people in the US did not provide me any rights.

If anything Stonewall and the likes, simply promoted ridiculous and stupid stereotypes that are still believed as 100% true today.

[–]reluctant_commenter 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Reddit is very US-centric and the TQ movement is as well, thus, Stonewall must be the supreme event that brought the shining lights of gay rights to all the world. Which is why homosexuality is still illegal in like 90 countries.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The mythos of Stonewall has travelled way beyond the US though. It was the inspiration for Sydney's march that was attacked by cops and became the G&L Mardi Gras of today. It obviously inspired the name of the UK organisation that has gone on to betray LGB people. It's the source of the name of Berlin's Christopher Street parade etc. And there is a good reason why it's become to renowned: because the people at the bar fought back instead of taking it as they always had in the past, no minor feat in those scary days. The problem is that it's treated as the source of all our hard won rights and all thanks to two imaginary transwomen of colour, completely ignoring all the efforts of people before, after and everywhere else in the world.

[–]reluctant_commenter 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for elaborating, I appreciate the context.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s because it gives them an opportunity to pretend the gay rights movement was founded by “queer” types. The clientele of the Stonewall Inn was less buttoned up than other gay bars. Yes they are fabricating a metric fuck ton on top of that but they want to pretend organizations like the Mattachine Society, Daughters of Bilitis, and their non-U.S. equivalents didn’t exist. When the “queer” obsessive types have made zero material gains for same sex rights anywhere.

TQ are also obsessed with race in a similarly neurotic and racist way because all minorities of any kind have the same interests, don’t you know? And when push comes to shove, you will get stripped of your minority status and called an oppressor without any context or support, as is convenient for them.

[–]PatsyStoneMaverique 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Stonewall was a singular event that a sympathetic alternative press in NYC could latch on to and mythologize. Pride parades kind of filled the same function for a long time. Most major events in gay history are like that in the U. S.

[–]slushpilot 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A different, less charitable reading: "We wouldn't have all these queers if it wasn't for the blacks!"

Just saying, careful whom you nominate as your flag bearer to stand behind.

Praise can become blame when it goes too far: things like women's rights and grooming children into transition are inevitably going to blow up in somebody's face, eventually. There's things to be proud of in the gay rights movement, of course—but "Pride" can be double-edged.

[–]ThiccDropkickGay 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

“ Marsha was a cross dressing gay man not a trans identified person.”

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[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course. There's not much left of LGB in the mod team between the transwomen, the paedophiles and the trans paedophiles. The truth might destroy their kiddie grooming kingdom.

[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He literally admits this on video but they keep lying.

[–]ThiccDropkickGay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

(In response to someone asking why people "get upset when the importance of black queer and trans people are mentioned) Because I think it’s a disservice to the history of the LGBT community to credit these individuals for the work being done by thousands of activists since the 19th century. Look at how many people here lay praise at their feet, but how many people know of Magnus hirschfeld https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Hirschfeld History shouldn’t be about supporting those who feel good about today, but all of those have fought, are fighting and died to give us the freedoms we benefit. By no means should ignore these people, or not celebrate them for their actions, but this feels like American whitewashing of our history, of lgbt history. Literally the day before the riots, Canada had decriminalized homosexuality. George klippert spent 3 years in jail to give us the freedom to be ourselves here. Why do you think so many lgbt people were out celebrating that night? We had just won a major fight in our freedom. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Klippert So why are people upset? Because we’re making other heroes invisible. We’re taking from them their history, their accomplishments, their pain and suffering. You answered your own question, the dislike of of excluding these voices is the same dislike people have for excluding others who played roles across the world.

Another comment removed by the mods (too quickly to be archived, but I left the webpage open on my computer just after it'd been posted), naturally. Was it hateful? Inaccurate?

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It doesn't fit their intersectional narrative. The mere fact that white 'cis' men are the reason they got their rights makes them go loopy, so they change the narrative, take the history of dead people of colour (bonus woque points if they're a racial and sexual minority) who can't deny TRA claims that they were actually trans, and you have a whitewashed (so to speak) history.

Edit: Yes, I know there's footage of Johnson outright saying he's a gay man, but it's often refuted as 'trans didn't exist as a term back then' or 'he was scared to say he was trans'.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The "trans woman" Marsha P. Johnson (the person TRAs claim started the riots) on the left of the image is on video saying he's "a boy", and he admits he was not at the riots when they first started, but joined later. The woman on the right, Stormé DeLarverie (actual person who eyewitnesses claim started the riots) was just a butch lesbian, not trans at all. Sources:

  1. Stormé DeLarverie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm%C3%A9_DeLarverie

  2. Marsha P. Johnson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdUEFtPFJLo ,

  3. Bonus, Sylvia Rivera (another revered "trans woman") lying saying no lesbians were arrested at Stonewall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHMTSAJ9ykg

[–]MatthewofHouseGraySuper straight ally :) 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

1: I have a very hard time believing that transgenders used to be a the backbone of the original "pride" when the Stonewall riots was the result of gay oppression. And secondly, same sex attraction out numbers transgenders so there would be more pissed off gay people than pissed up transgenders.

2: Aren't the majority of black people homophobic? I can believe that the first gay rights movement had balck people in them, but I don't by the blacks were also the "backbone" of them h n their demographic is incredibly homophobic compared to let's say white people.