Transing ChildrenThe kids can see what's happening, why can't the adults?

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[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It's kind of true, the world is now pretty grim for short straight guys. I've read a couple of articles that describe statistical analyses of height, income, and attractiveness, based on dating-site matches. Basically, if you are a man, for every inch shorter you are you have to make something like $30K to $50K annually to make up for it (i.e. be considered equivalently attractive). I think about my next-door neighbor who is about 5'6" or 5'7": attractive wife, two kids ... and a huge house, 5 acre lot, multiple vehicles and lots of toys. I'm also on the shorter side, but as a gay man it's much less of a problem (one of us has to be short, no?)

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I have two male cousins who are shorter than me (5’7” to my 5’10”), and they are both successful. One is an electrician who has built a house for himself, his wife and his four children. His wife is good-looking too. He was also a secondary school dropout, but then he decided to go back to college at the age of 30, graduated with a first class honours degree, and has a decent job. My other short and successful cousin is an accountant and he and his partner own a lovely four bedroom house in a lovely neighbourhood an hour outside of London. His partner is also a nice woman and they are both fun to hang out with. Being short can suck if you’re man, but it doesn’t have to suck if you’re willing to work smarter. But some short men and boys are not told this, or are not given proper guidance.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think the point (which is evidenced by statistics albeit collected in an online environment) is that, if you're short, you need to be extra-masculine and extra-successful to be considered attractive to women. And in an online environment your masculine bearing is hard to communicate - before people were forced to communicate online a short guy could make up for it by being extra masculine in his demeanor.

Your other comment in this thread resonates with me in that, because I am short, I have had to develop a masculine bearing, and it may have also contributed to my financial success (although it probably matters less because I am a gay man). I have a friend, a gay guy who is 5'3", triple-black-belt, very masculine, and would be considered extra hot by most gay men (well, that was before middle age set in).

I think a lot of these online fem-boys are pussies because they are lazy, but even if they could become more manly they would still have a hard time communicating it on an online environment. Maybe that's why they give up? They could at least muscle up, that's easy to see in pictures.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well done to you and your friend. I wouldn’t mind dating a shorter guy. Then again, I don’t think gay men care about height as much as straight women do. And yes, a lot of femboys wouldn’t be femboys if they spent more time socialising offline, but I can understand that it is hard for people with social anxiety.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Idk, I mean this is just anecdotal, but my heterosexual brother is 5’6”, pretty average looking, and he’s always been a ladykiller with short girls. But he’s also not awkward or shy and has an outgoing personality. So I think that has a lot to do with it too. Honestly short/feminine straight guys who complain about women never dating them always have insufferable personalities which would probably turn women off anyway. It’s a game of “are women not dating you because you’re unattractive, or because you’re a shitty person?” Like, have you seen some of these boyfriends straight women have? They’re ugly as hell. Im skeptical as to whether ugliness is the true problem here.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well it's all anecdotal unless you do an empirical study, which is why I find the statistical analyses interesting. But I acknowledge the built-in biases these studies have, namely that they select for people who look for mates online. Those who find their mates "out in the world" are, statistically speaking, more extroverted and probably also more attractive in general.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The George Costanza paradox