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[–]justagaydude123[S] 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Non-traditionally masculine boys are given this dichotomy while online. The incel to trans pipeline is real.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I am masculine, at least by 2021 standards. But I am much more masculine now than I was 10 years ago. When I was 16 I didn’t participate in sports, except during PE, which was only one hour a week. I didn’t lift weights. I did go to the gym once, and even lifting one of the lighter weights was a challenge for me. I never helped out with manual labour. I was weak, lazy and low energy. The only consolation was that I was 5’9 compared to 5’6(I’m 5’11 now). Now at 26? I lift weights three to four times a week. I practice karate - the lockdowns have ruined it but I’m going back as soon as I can, or maybe I’ll take up BJJ. I have helped my cousin, who’s a plumber, out with fixing the radiators of a client's house. I got a pull up frame for Christmas one year and I assembled it myself just by reading the instructions. I occasionally help my dad out with physical tasks around the house. I work in a factory. All this while being disabled. But the kicker is, you don’t have to be masculine to do all of that, femboys can do that too. I’m only masculine because I learned to just be more confident in myself - besides, I don’t have it in me to be feminine, it’s not natural for me. The point is, I bettered myself instead of becoming an incel. And there are men shorter than me who are more successful than me, like my cousin, like Tom Cruise, like Vladimir Putin (who isn’t well liked by the sub, but he is successful nonetheless). Being tall helps if you’re male, but you don’t have to be tall.

Teenage boys need to learn skills. Skills like plumbing, coding, carpentry, hunting, repairing, welding, heavy-lifting, driving, cooking, building, mechanics, defence... not necessarily all of them, but pick at least three of them. Teenage girls can learn them as well, but teenage boys especially need to learn these skills so they can feel useful, so they can make a career out of these skills, and so they can learn to keep busy and spend more time out of their thoughts. Whether a boy is masculine or feminine, teach him or find someone to teach him some of these skills. Kurt Hummel can fix a car while being the most effeminate male character on live action television. Learning these skills especially helps short teenage boys to understand that there are alternatives to becoming femboys or incels.

To answer the question, a lot adults can’t see what’s happening because television is not talking about it. Many adults treat the telly like it’s a gospel machine and believe everything the news tells them. If it’s on CNN, BBC, RTÉ or Fox News, it’s real. If it’s not on any of the major news channels, then it’s not real. That’s the mindset of a lot of boomers. And because the telly is not talking about the concerns teenagers have, many boomers and gen x-ers are in the dark.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Sadly, a lot of "thought I was a femmeboi, turns out I'm a transwoman" stuff. Blegh. It seems any male who doesn't 'measure up' to socially constructed standards of masculinity must be some form of woman.

[–]justagaydude123[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Much of that was near the end (which made me wonder who brigaded that post). Plenty of "I'll just walk off the cliff" and other forms of "nope" as well. I didn't see a ton of enthusiasm for those choices.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It's kind of true, the world is now pretty grim for short straight guys. I've read a couple of articles that describe statistical analyses of height, income, and attractiveness, based on dating-site matches. Basically, if you are a man, for every inch shorter you are you have to make something like $30K to $50K annually to make up for it (i.e. be considered equivalently attractive). I think about my next-door neighbor who is about 5'6" or 5'7": attractive wife, two kids ... and a huge house, 5 acre lot, multiple vehicles and lots of toys. I'm also on the shorter side, but as a gay man it's much less of a problem (one of us has to be short, no?)

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I have two male cousins who are shorter than me (5’7” to my 5’10”), and they are both successful. One is an electrician who has built a house for himself, his wife and his four children. His wife is good-looking too. He was also a secondary school dropout, but then he decided to go back to college at the age of 30, graduated with a first class honours degree, and has a decent job. My other short and successful cousin is an accountant and he and his partner own a lovely four bedroom house in a lovely neighbourhood an hour outside of London. His partner is also a nice woman and they are both fun to hang out with. Being short can suck if you’re man, but it doesn’t have to suck if you’re willing to work smarter. But some short men and boys are not told this, or are not given proper guidance.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think the point (which is evidenced by statistics albeit collected in an online environment) is that, if you're short, you need to be extra-masculine and extra-successful to be considered attractive to women. And in an online environment your masculine bearing is hard to communicate - before people were forced to communicate online a short guy could make up for it by being extra masculine in his demeanor.

Your other comment in this thread resonates with me in that, because I am short, I have had to develop a masculine bearing, and it may have also contributed to my financial success (although it probably matters less because I am a gay man). I have a friend, a gay guy who is 5'3", triple-black-belt, very masculine, and would be considered extra hot by most gay men (well, that was before middle age set in).

I think a lot of these online fem-boys are pussies because they are lazy, but even if they could become more manly they would still have a hard time communicating it on an online environment. Maybe that's why they give up? They could at least muscle up, that's easy to see in pictures.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well done to you and your friend. I wouldn’t mind dating a shorter guy. Then again, I don’t think gay men care about height as much as straight women do. And yes, a lot of femboys wouldn’t be femboys if they spent more time socialising offline, but I can understand that it is hard for people with social anxiety.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Idk, I mean this is just anecdotal, but my heterosexual brother is 5’6”, pretty average looking, and he’s always been a ladykiller with short girls. But he’s also not awkward or shy and has an outgoing personality. So I think that has a lot to do with it too. Honestly short/feminine straight guys who complain about women never dating them always have insufferable personalities which would probably turn women off anyway. It’s a game of “are women not dating you because you’re unattractive, or because you’re a shitty person?” Like, have you seen some of these boyfriends straight women have? They’re ugly as hell. Im skeptical as to whether ugliness is the true problem here.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well it's all anecdotal unless you do an empirical study, which is why I find the statistical analyses interesting. But I acknowledge the built-in biases these studies have, namely that they select for people who look for mates online. Those who find their mates "out in the world" are, statistically speaking, more extroverted and probably also more attractive in general.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The George Costanza paradox

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the follow-up :)

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ugh; This is depressing from a personal standpoint.

And let's not forget things like dick size. You also have a small peen and bad looks and that's the end for you.

Sorry- I'm being needlessly fatalistic. Some people can deal rather well with the cards they are dealt. But inceldom has its roots. Everyone has standards(for both sexes) so it's never going away, even if transing does.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not sure that I agree with people having standards, though. I've seen gorgeous, well dressed women walking around with what amounts to incels (at least appearance and hygiene wise), so I can safely say modern standards have drastically dropped, at least for women. Men's seem to be at an all time high, though.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think whatever cards they have in their hand to attract and retain hot women are there though won't be identified straight off, but your contemporary basementcel who whines online doesn't have remotely similar qualities or quantities; That much is clear.

[–]QueenBread 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And as usual, judging by the comments on Reddit, you'd think a good 25% of the population is transexual. But it suddenly makes sense if you switch "trans" with "punk/goth/emo/hippie". Thus proving trans is just the newest "I'm a rebel and I want to shock you and show you I'm different" fad.