Women's IssuesBritish Court Criminalizes Feminist who stated "men cannot change into women." Judge: "This approach is not worthy of respect in a democratic society."

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[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I can understand the sentiment that a child needs a mother and a father. There is nothing like a child being raised by his or her biological parents, after all. Provided that those parents are good people. But I do support a same sex couple jointly adopting the same child, because the child being adopted has already lost his family. And I believe that adoption should only be allowed in cases where the birth parents are dead, criminally abusive, can’t raise the child or don’t want the child, and the extended family don’t want the child or can’t raise the child. If a child loses his parents, he should move in with his uncle, his aunt, his grandparents or an older cousin - which is guardianship, not adoption. But yeah, I believe that gay couples should have the same rights as straight couples in terms of adoption, guardianship, child custody, legal documents and foster care. I do not support surrogacy or IVF - I’m against it for both gay and straight couples at all. Also, I support single people becoming legal guardians of children they know, but I’m against single people adopting.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

I agree, Traditional family is better. Two same sex can raise kids very well, but it's more ideal with an healthy hetero couple And between two men and two women, it's more ideal with two moms.But surrogacy is way worst than IVF, you paying a woman to be an incubator, depriving a child of mother touch of purpose, taking it away from someone who has kept it inside her body for months. And it's often done by women in poor countries. At least a woman in lesbian couple takes the child to world by herself and raises it, surrogacy seems way more unnatural and immoral way to exploit peoplefor selfish purpose. Yeah, adoption is way better, at least you saving a child, not forcing it into the world. A great single gay man has adopted a girl with down syndrome after she was rejected by 7 hetero families. He didn't do it because it was the only way he could adopt, he was always passionate about helping disables. A great man, indeed .

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Good on that gay man who adopted the girl with Down syndrome. And yes, surrogacy is definitely worse than IVF, because at least with IVF the child stays with the birth mother and get much needed breast milk. Still against IVF as well. Adoption is the best way for gays and lesbians to become dads and mams.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, a true hero, having such a big responsability for life. The families rejected the child were actually 30. Really lots of people are not fine with such responsability, they want the perfect healthy child. Cant blame them, I could not be able to sacrifice so much. But I'm against children in general, even healthy ones.

Agree adoption is better. Also there is power imbalance between parents, where only one is the biological parent.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Definitely a hero. I guess extraordinary children need extraordinary families. In countries where gay couples can adopt, very often, orphans with conditions like Down syndrome or autism get adopted by same sex couples. In fact, the first children adopted by same sex couples in most countries have these conditions. Now, I don’t think I can raise a child at all, with or without a disability, because I’m disabled myself. But who knows? I definitely wouldn’t do it on my own.

The power imbalance you’ve brought up is a strong argument against surrogacy and IVF. I was talking to my mother about homosexuals raising children and she supports adoption, IVF and surrogacy being legal. However, she understands why I’ve ruled out surrogacy because she sees that only one of the dads would be the biological father. And the procedure is expensive, so it’s rare that one dad would be the genetic father of one child, and the other dad would be the genetic father of the other child. Favourites will still be picked. Some gay couples mix in their sperm and choose not to find out which one of them is the father, but that’s just lame and pointless, because eventually it will be found out without a DNA test because of the looks of the men and the child. And that’s before we get into how the surrogacy affects the child, the surrogate mother or the surrogate mother's family.

Maybe I could see myself raising another man's kids. If, and only if, I married/registered a partnership with a single, divorced or widowed father, or I adopted an orphan. Or I assumed guardianship over a niece or nephew, though hopefully that will never need to happen. Otherwise, no.