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[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen"[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But people aren't seeing why the correleation is. It's not that gay men are inherently feminine and lesbian women are inherently masculine. Like I said, it's usually because society says homosexual = unmanly for men and manly for women, that you are "imitating the opposite sex." Boys get told that doing anything associated as "girl things" is "gay" from a very young age. I think I was only 8 or 9 when people started saying I "looked gay" for having long hair and things like that.

So naturally, it makes sense that homosexual people are more likely to express gender non conformity and not hide it, if they have no "gayness" to deny. It also sometimes goes the other way, you even have gay communities telling men they should be feminine if they are in the recieving role, so you get things like "sissification" porn which is all about sexually humiliating men by "turning them into women." This is also how the trans fetishism started.

I'm curious as to where you've gotten that impression. Butch lesbians and GNC gay men receive far more homophobic harassment in school and elsewhere in public spaces because they're more visible.

It's expected of gay people to be "different" or "weird" thanks to shitty stereotypes. But if straight people do it they get an extra level of harassment, compared to openly gay people. Straight guys will have "jokes" and mockery thrown their way about taking it up the ass and secretly being gay if they are "too girly."

I'm not saying being both GNC and gay is easy because it's not. Trust me, I get a lot of hate from both straight and bisexual/homosexual people alike. It sucks. But I feel like if you are OPENLY gay it's easier to get away with, less so if you are straight, or extremely "closeted"/denying it (like I do in real life.)

I don't see how straight GNC people being targeted for misplaced homophobic harassment is the fault of gay people

This seems like a strawman. I'm not blaming "gay people" as a whole. I am blaming pedophilic, creepy people on this sub & LGB alliance for being obsessed with children's sexualities that have yet to develop, and sexualizing children by saying they will grow up to be homosexual inherently just because they are little boys who wear dresses or little girls who play with trucks.

And my problem with it is that even if people like you claim "oh we're not saying they'll ALL be gay", that's what it sounds like. I never see any positivity for GNCness itself. I never see any positivity for GNC straight people. It's always about being gay.

Nobody, especially aligned with crap like LGB alliance, says things like "It's okay for boys to wear dresses, this does not mean they have female brains and need to be transitioned." It's always "It's okay for little gay boys to wear dresses and be fabulous gays, transitioning them is literal conversion therapy, even if they haven't expressed their sexuality yet!"

acknowledging the fact that kids can be gay.

But they can't. If a SMALL CHILD is "gay" then it's an expression of physical abuse and is not an "orientation." People are not born with sexualities and this stuff does not kick in pre-puberty. Children are too young to understand these concepts and it is extremely dangerous for adults to be projecting the concepts of gender identity and sexual orientation onto them.

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Tbh, I have no association with the LGBAlliance so I have no idea what kind of agenda they're trying to push or what the people involved in that organization are saying about GNC-ness, so I can't respond to any of those points.

However, your last point is blatantly incorrect and honestly offensive. People are born with sexualities. People are born gay and bisexual just as people are born straight. I had crushes on girls when I was 6 years old. I knew I liked only girls by the time I was 9 years old. I didn't start puberty until around 12. The sexual attraction doesn't start until puberty. But the orientation is still there. How the hell was me having a crush on my female friend at age 6 an expression of physical abuse??????? Straight people can talk about their stories of having crushes and holding hands with the opposite sex when they were little kids and it's regarded as normal and cute but suddenly when gay people do it it's physical abuse????? I was never physically or sexually abused as a child, but I still had gay crushes. Many, many, MANY gay people have similar stories, and knew they were gay before puberty. Explain that please??????