Women's IssuesClaims that women can't have paraphilias furthers trans ideology.

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[–]censorshipment 7 insightful - 8 fun7 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 8 fun -  (28 children)

Since when did gay effeminate men become attractive to even fetishize?

Hmm straight women (who aren't overtly homophobic) have been fetishizing gay effeminate men for decades. I noticed it throughout the 80s and 90s... women talking about how big gay men's dicks were. This is why I'm so comfortable looking at gay men. Lol I was brought up in a very gay-friendly environment.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackLGBT/comments/mqcjol/taco_tuesday/

Even my lesbian ass finds this "bottom" attractive. 🤫

Basit, on MTV's Are You The One? (season 8, the "queer" season), was adored by women. In the video below, Basit and Kylie had a thing during the show but weren't perfect matches.

https://youtu.be/OiWwKzOoH40

[–]simpliyoot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

as a gay guy i just find this incredibly strange. Not in a "theyre disgusting for even liking this" but.. dont women basically worship strong, dominant straight masculine men and their entire sexuality is built around wanting a big strong man to take refuge in his arms or something? These people dont seem to want to provide that lol They'd probably insist that YOU hold them lol is it just their aesthetic or i guess women feel a different power dynamic with them? Or they seriously expect gay effeminate men to act like dominant straight men?

[–]censorshipment 10 insightful - 8 fun10 insightful - 7 fun11 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

No... Fabio Lanzoni isn't the ideal man anymore.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabio_Lanzoni

Women in my age group (30s/40s) grew up liking boy bands who mostly looked gay as fuck. Many girls loved Lance Bass of N'Sync who turned out to be gay. And Ricky Martin. And Clay Aiken. They had millions of female groupies getting wet over them. And let's be real... Michael Jackson and Prince may not have been gay, but they were effeminate and not physically strong at all. Yet they had millions of female groupies who wanted the dick.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Bass

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Martin

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Aiken

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I think you'll find that's a pretty 1950s-throwback, stereotypical view of "what women want," which is not a set, definable thing, as I think should be readily apparent. People are different and complex. I'm a little bit surprised that this is how narrow your view of women is in this day and age, but maybe hanging out here, where there is considerable diversity, will help expand your understanding a bit. (Welcome—I don't know if you've been lurking before now, but your account is one day old so I'm assuming you aren't super familiar with all of the shared contexts of what gets talked about here yet. What you're essentially saying, as I interpret it, is that you assume that there's only one way for women to be, and the thing is, on this sub, we acknowledge that one can be "gender non-conforming" (and not trapped inside silly old stereotypes) without declaring one is another gender—without declaring any gender identity at all—without dysphoria, without denying one's biological sex, and without wanting to alter one's body. This means we have to accept that people are as they are without any of those additives. This means we have to have a much broader view than the one above. Otherwise this much more closely matches a TRA stance on women: They are the ones trying to drag us all back to a past in which this sort of assumption was also an enforced expectation. (Else you're trans.)

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

on this sub, we acknowledge that one can be "gender non-conforming" (and not trapped inside silly old stereotypes) without declaring one is another gender—without declaring any gender identity at all—without dysphoria, without denying one's biological sex, and without wanting to alter one's body.

We really need this in the sidebar, because it's such a basic tenant here.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Welp, for the record, for the mod team: I don't mind if the verbiage is borrowed for that sort of use here. Probably needs a bit of modification. But I agree, it'd be a helpful bit of context to include.

[–]simpliyoot 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

my superficial understanding of women isnt through men's rights activists but the rage heterosexual men feel towards the women and the incel culture. That theyre not "good enough" for women because theyre basically not 7 foot tall titans with 40 pack abs and a wealthy dominant businessman. When i hear "weak men, not strong, not "manly", it sort of becomes synonymous with effeminate gay men in my head so this fetishization of feminine gay men seems "off" to me but again, my only encounter with female sexuality is straight men ranting about women, which i will admit is basically like listening to a neo nazi talk share his opinion on jews.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well that explains it though, thank you. Way too much cultural brainwashing on both sides and people play that out and it doesn't work and it's unhealthy. And of course, some of that is people bringing their own stuff into their relationships, but some of the stuff is typically also a symptom of what's amiss in a larger sense. I'm sure we could wander off into a contemplation of how "toxic masculinity" came into being but I'm way too sleepy for that. Thank you for the candid response, though.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now it makes sense

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

dont women basically worship strong, dominant straight masculine men and their entire sexuality is built around wanting a big strong man to take refuge in his arms or something?

Lol. What a sickeningly misogynistic take.

[–]simpliyoot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

...no, thats not misogynistic at all. And again, you're talking to a gay guy so this misogyny charge doesnt really hold much value except as an excuse for deflection. You seriously want to pretend all of straight/bi woman's sexuality doesnt exist out in the real world with all that romantic erotic literature all my straight/bi women friends would read and force me to read with them? Big strong man: pirate, businessman, overlord of an entire planet, gorgon-the slayer of 10,000 worlds...but will cuddle you and only YOU at night? lol

And for a bi girl, you sure are uppity. I've browsed through all the bisexual male subreddits. When bisexual men, who are super masculine and "pass" as straight men hear their wives or girlfriends come out, they've made the mistake of coming out to them as well and the overwhelming, general reaction is: "WHAT! you're a fucking FGGT! It doesnt matter if im bi, THATS DIFFERENT!" <-- is this general reaction "misogyny" as well? fetishization of gay men is hyper, hyper specific. My "take" is still accurate or are we going to pretend all the dating problems straight men have are all fake. Or the homophobia bi men experience even when theyre extremely masculine. or the "height" issue. Dont be toxic.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Lol. Looks like I made you mad. So you can't be misogynistic just because you're gay? You admitted you got that take from listening to incels rant and then you're going to claim it's not misogynistic. Then the uppity comment? sigh Are you jellyfish's alt?

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

sigh Are you jellyfish's alt?

I think he's the most persistent troll I've seen on Saidit. Like, it's been 10+ accounts and several months by this point.

[–]simpliyoot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

I lied and twisted the truth to make her feel better because she was being nice. Then you came sweeping in and made 3 separate comments, one after the other, not sure if you should keep going or stop and then keep coming back to type some more and hit "send". Whats with the projection? "LOL U MAD?!"...?? yes, clearly so mad i left 3 comments in rapid succession claiming it's misogynistic to leave such a description. Everyone was having a civil discussion until you came in. I think you're far too used to interacting with straight white men that you feel entitled to the same dynamic with gay men and become enraged when you dont get it? That you have some permanent victim status and forget you're basically a heterosexual thats far closer to the patriarchy than gay men. Your "woman card" doesnt hold any trump powers and there's a lot of toxicity you think will be tolerated here. And yes, gay men arent misogynistic. That fake charge comes from gay men usually putting people like you in their place when you invade gay spaces and try to pretend you have some victimhood status that needs to be accommodated and then get mad when it's dismissed. I dont know who "jellyfish" is but that's more of an indictment on your part for admitting you've had problems with more than 1 person lol

[–]usehername 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

not sure if you should keep going or stop

Clearly I decided to keep going lol or are you blind? Yes, I did indeed read your comments in succession and replied to each as I read them. How astute of you. Yes, yes, I know you want to claim your spot as lower on the oppression pyramid than me. Your woke points enable you to be as bigoted as you want to others because of how oppressed you are!

straight white men

This is how I know you're an idealogue lol.

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

u/wafflegaff

[–]simpliyoot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

are you just listing random people you've argued with you suspect that i am, revealing how many people you've argued with?

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No, use your reading skills.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I lied and twisted the truth to make her feel better because she was being nice.

I am gonna guess this was the reason I was dragged back here...if it's a reference to my exchange with simpliyoot, that's rather lame, don't you think, simpliyoot? I mean really. :-)

Otherwise, I think I am too tired to interpret myself being tagged. And I'm fine with that because I see walls of text I don't quite understand. Cheers. :-)

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ma'am you're not a lesbian if you're attracted to men, even the very effeminate ones.