DiscussionDo you agree with gender critical feminism?

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[–]BEB 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

I just want to add that a good portion of middle-aged and older US and, I think, UK, gender critical feminists are 2nd Wave feminists.

2nd Wave feminists' support was essential for homosexuals in the battle for gay rights and also to get funding for AIDS research.

So gay men like you kind of owe us for being as accepted as you are, because without heterosexual and homosexual 2nd Wave feminists, gay men, who are a small minority, would have not have had the numbers or the clout to convince lawmakers to give them rights.

When I see gay men especially wail on GC feminists I want to kick them (not literally) because you would be NOWHERE without the women who fought for you back then. The women who are now GC feminists because we woke up to the incredibly dangerous gender agenda attack on women's rights.

[–]fuck_reddit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

“Gay men... would not have had the numbers or the clout to convince lawmakers to give them rights.” Yeah, tell that to the hundreds, if not thousands of gay executives and high-level bureaucrats that poured hundreds of millions of dollars into marriage equality campaigning and spent hundreds of thousands of hours speaking directly to presidents, senators, and congressmen.

[–]BEB 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm talking about before. The 2nd Wave feminism of the 1960s and 1970s. I was around from the mid-1970s. Most gay men were not openly gay outside of gay bubbles. Pretty much everyone in their lives knew they were gay, but it was mostly don't ask, don't tell. And they lived in fear of being beaten up on the street, or losing their jobs, or apartments, for being gay.

I have a very close friend from university, who has never told me he is gay. EVER. About ten years ago, he introduced me to his male partner, but never said, WE ARE PARTNERS, or I AM GAY. He has never told any of his old friends that he's gay, even though we all knew in university and couldn't have cared less, but didn't mention it because he didn't. Again, don't ask, don't tell.

I had a boss in the '80s, a fabulously successful and very nice man - same deal. He had a beard (a woman he pretended was his girlfriend) and the more cruel people in the office would make fun of him and his beard behind his back.

Even in 2004, when Gavin Newsom legalized gay marriage in San Francisco, the backlash helped George W. Bush win re-election because Americans still weren't ready.

Hell, even in 2008 CALIFORNIA (home of uber-liberal nut jobs) had Prop 8 on the ballot trying to ban gay marriage. AND IT PASSED.

Bottom line: women have traditionally been always more on the side of gay men than straight men have in many cultures. I have traveled a lot for an American, including in cultures where gay men are encouraged or forced to transition - it's women protecting gay men in most of them.

And it was women in the US who provided the numbers and the support for society in general to accept gay men.

Before COVID I used to fly a few times a month. I am a chatty person and look harmless so UBER drivers open up to me, and, anecdotally, I would guess that there are a lot of straight men in this country (the over 40s perhaps) who have still not accepted gay men, they're just hiding it because to say it now in public would be suicidal. But go look at the comment section of Breitbart if you want to see how much support heterosexual men give gay men.

And now, gay male leaders, (mostly younger) gay men and the organizations gay men helped build, have turned on all women, with their support of gender identity policies like the Equality Act, which will set women's rights, women's privacy, women's dignity, women's safety and women's sports back years to decades.

So yeah, I am not happy.